Is it harder to find a c90b paint interior 2 years ago g1000, raise beck epic package -135a 600hrs 4K total time plane that’s what I am looking to upgrade.

The Mustang is a LOT easier to find than your airplane!

The trick with buying a Mustang is to find one off market and buy it right... harder than it use to be, but so far we are still getting it done.

I have been toying with Mustang idea, but... When I flight plan some of my real world flights, it doesn't really gain much for me vs. my Mits. It's a little faster in cruise, but needs to climb higher to make sense for fuel, which increases block time. In addition it makes it sensitive to head winds.

Example: was looking at flight from San Francisco to Seattle this week, winds were strong out of the north. Max winds were more than 100 kts out of the north (direct headwind) at about 30,000' but were strong above and below too. My Mits is limited to FL280, which would put it right in the heart of the high wind. But I could fly it at about 16,000' where the flight time was decent and fuel efficiency is worse than high but not that bad. It basically got the same block time and fuel as the Mustang when Mustang planned at FL400. All altitudes below FL400 were worse for the Mustang, and of course getting below the wind at 16-20,000 like with the Mits made the fuel burn crazy (may not even have had the range). In no case was it faster than flying my Mits and it used similar fuel in best case.

If I went the other way, with big tailwinds, I could get the Mits into the heart of that strong wind at FL270 and only took less than 5 minutes more block time to the Mustang's best case time. Again, about the same amount of fuel in Mustang's best case, otherwise was less. So headwind or tailwind, both airplanes came out about the same.

I also frequently fly a short route (KSQL-KTRK, go VFR for less routing in class B), and obviously there Mustang is simply same speed with substantially higher fuel burn.

So I'm having trouble justifying it as an upgrade in my case. Not that everything needs to be justified... :-)

Anyone want to help make the case and talk me into it? It has the following obvious advantages:
- it's a jet
- it could fit in my hangar
- I could land/takeoff at KSQL

I like the M2 capabilities, but can't fit in my hangar and runway length at KSQL starts to get problematic.

First world problems, admittedly. But fun to think about, happy to hear others' thoughts.

It can’t be as bad as the CJ3 market closed on one in June after many full price offers I think 7 of them. I have been looking at the king air market looks to be hot right now as all planes are but not sure I want to part with it might just add the mustang as a third plane our utilization is high enough to justify.

Jon - why not a P180? Best of both those worlds.

Ok. My bad. There are 4 for sale on controller. The only one with a price is $2.1 million. It's a 2009 that would have sold for $1.3 a year ago.


Again. My bad.

Yes, agreed. My biggest problem there is hangar size required.

Alas, all I have is a large T hangar. All these planes don’t do well in the T shape.

Nose towards the back?

Yes, agreed. My biggest problem there is hangar size required.

Alas, all I have is a large T hangar. All these planes don’t do well in the T shape.

If you do upgrade call me! That’s the plane I’m looking for!

Dude, that is tight!

How deep is your T? Maybe you need a MU2, which is pretty compact other than the T depth which needs 20’ due to tip tanks-nose length.

But T hangar is a constraint for sure.

Ok. My bad. There are 4 for sale on controller. The only one with a price is $2.1 million. It's a 2009 that would have sold for $1.3 a year ago.


Again. My bad.

That’s what I am seeing chip thank god got the CJ3 it was the final one we put an offer on, there is nothing for sale (kind of scary)

It is tight, we have a client that was able to buy one, but it was a very unusual situation. We had a CJ3 client last year, we couldn't find anything worth buying so we bought a Lear 45XR instead, caught that market in a slump and bought one that Bombardier had, talk about a good investment. It's now worth WAY more than we paid!

SQL would be tight on runway for a mustang on a hot day. You’d have to be light.

But if you do it, let’s be plane partners because I fly a dry leased mustang out of HWD but live much closer to SQL!