BeechTalk - BT

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 Jul 2021, 01:39

Piston Engine Market

Cirrus: 347 (plus 73 SF-50s)
Beech/Cessna: 322 (plus 237 turbines)
Piper: 244
Diamond: 233
TECAM: 154
Air Tractor: 123 (all turbines, but I put them here anyway)
Pipistrel: 30
Sonaca: 22
Icon: 22
Thrush: 20
American Champion: 14
Waco: 5
Cubcrafter: 3

The most popular planes are the SR-22 at 291 and the C-172 at 241. That's half the piston engine marketplace.

Air Tractor sells a lot of planes!

Diamond sold 62 DA-42s and 26 DA-62s. Piper sold a Seneca and 22 Seminoles. Tecam sold 22 P2006s. Beech/Cessna sold 8 barons. That's the twin marketplace. (Who bought a new Seneca? How can it make sense to make ONE Seneca. Weird.)

I'm surprised cubcrafter is so low. They get lots of buzz.

Boy, dreams of Icon didn't work out!

https://gama.aero/wp-content/uploads/20 ... 242021.pdf

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 Jul 2021, 04:59

…and a whole 12 Bonanzas. Disappointing..

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 Jul 2021, 12:50

More disappointing, Mooney, another year at 0.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 Jul 2021, 13:22

I am pretty sure CubCrafter's numbers only include their certified aircraft, not the build-assist E/AB FX and NXCub models. Based on my experience at their factory (and what you can see from their webcam) they turn out about 1 of those a week at least, maybe more. But experimental aren't counted in the GAMA reports. And CubCrafters people know their numbers look low and they take a perverse pleasure in it, from my discussions with them.

Either you know about the club and want in, I guess!

Cheers

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 Jul 2021, 13:28

I’d guess most of CubCrafters sales were on experimental certificates that don’t show up here.

Why buy a certified CarbonCub when you can get the exact same plane without all the certified aircraft headaches in return for a week at the factory learning about your airplane?

Edit: The other Joel types faster than I do.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 Jul 2021, 14:11

I think that although the 172 is a popular plane in general, many are going to the training market since the change eliminating a complex aircraft required for training and checkride for the Commercial Certificate.

That can now be done with a glass panel 172 with a two-axis autopilot, saving operating costs. I don't agree with the new rule, but it seems to fit the trend that flight crews are being trained to be not so much pilots, but systems programmers; airliner landing gear operation will become automated.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 Jul 2021, 14:35

How many vans Rv kits?

How many of them were completed this year?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 Jul 2021, 17:50

Username Protected wrote:

How many vans Rv kits?

How many of them were completed this year?

About 1.5 RVs are completed each day. So maybe over 500 aircraft, which is more than all the Cirrus or all the Cessna piston planes.

My impression is that kit built is greater than factory built in 2020.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 Jul 2021, 18:05

8 Barons and 12 Bonanzas. More than I would have guessed.

I wonder how many Bonanzas go out the door to a shop to have turbos and tip tanks added on.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 Jul 2021, 18:52

Considering there were about 18,000 new planes in 1978 alone this is a ridiculous amount.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 Jul 2021, 21:55

Username Protected wrote:

many are going to the training market since the change eliminating a complex aircraft required for training and checkride for the Commercial Certificate.

Wow---that is ridiculous!!! A commercial ticket in a 172 :scratch:

Let's continue to dumb down our society---the Chinese will be along soon enough!!!

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 Jul 2021, 22:18

Username Protected wrote:

Considering there were about 18,000 new planes in 1978 alone this is a ridiculous amount.

The problem is that many of those 18,000 are still flying and are in direct competition with new planes.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 Jul 2021, 22:49

Ha, I don’t think so. The problem is there just aren’t enough new US pilots!!!

If there were more new US pilots to buy new planes THE SALES OF NEW PLANES would be higher.