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Post subject: 2020 Small Turbine Shipments Posted: 24 Jul 2021, 01:52 |
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Joined: 07/10/17 Posts: 82 Post Likes: +39
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Pilatus PC12: 82 Cirrus SF50: 73 King Air: 62 Phenom 300: 50 Piper Mseries: 43 TBM: 42 Pilatus PC24: 41 Honda: 31 Citation M2: 24 Epic E1000: 7 Phenom 100: 6 The best selling company in this marketplace is Pilatus (123) with three other companies fighting for second: Textron (86), Cirrus (73), and Embraer (56). I wonder if Honda can make money selling 31 planes per year. I'm surprised the King Air is still selling so well. https://gama.aero/wp-content/uploads/20 ... 242021.pdf
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Post subject: Re: 2020 Small Turbine Shipments Posted: 24 Jul 2021, 03:12 |
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Joined: 09/11/12 Posts: 128 Post Likes: +26 Location: Chicago, IL (KGYY)
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The Phenom 300’s competitor is the CJ4, so the 3+ and 4 should be counted towards Cessna’s totals as well, not just the M2.
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Post subject: Re: 2020 Small Turbine Shipments Posted: 24 Jul 2021, 05:29 |
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Edited to add the CJ3+ and CJ4. Pilatus PC12: 82 Cirrus SF50: 73 King Air: 62 Phenom 300: 50 Cessna CJ3+ /CJ4: 44 Piper Mseries: 43 TBM: 42 Pilatus PC24: 41 Honda: 31 Citation M2: 24 Epic E1000: 7 Phenom 100: 6 The best selling companies in this marketplace are Textron (130) and Pilatus (123) with two other companies fighting for third: Cirrus (73), and Embraer (56). I wonder if Honda can make money selling 31 planes per year. I'm surprised the King Air is still selling so well. https://gama.aero/wp-content/uploads/20 ... 242021.pdf
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Post subject: Re: 2020 Small Turbine Shipments Posted: 24 Jul 2021, 06:34 |
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Joined: 09/05/09 Posts: 4323 Post Likes: +3107 Location: Raleigh, NC
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Username Protected wrote: Edited to add the CJ3+ and CJ4. Pilatus PC12: 82 Cirrus SF50: 73 King Air: 62 Phenom 300: 50 Cessna CJ3+ /CJ4: 44 Piper Mseries: 43 TBM: 42 Pilatus PC24: 41 Honda: 31 Citation M2: 24 Epic E1000: 7 Phenom 100: 6 The best selling companies in this marketplace are Textron (130) and Pilatus (123) with two other companies fighting for third: Cirrus (73), and Embraer (56). I wonder if Honda can make money selling 31 planes per year. I'm surprised the King Air is still selling so well. https://gama.aero/wp-content/uploads/20 ... 242021.pdf Honda doesn't need to make money. 31 planes per year ~ $150M in revenue, plus the parts and service side, on a company with a market cap of $56B. they are different than everyone else because they are building the plane as a "hobby" business. They could sustain a loss for 100 years if they chose (although I'd bet they have a respectable margin).
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Post subject: Re: 2020 Small Turbine Shipments Posted: 24 Jul 2021, 07:56 |
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Are these delivered aircraft or manufactured? I’m finding it hard to believe Honda sold 31 aircraft with so many sitting on ramps. Also given Embraer’s 6 100s, wondering if there’s a 150 or 200 in store.
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Post subject: Re: 2020 Small Turbine Shipments Posted: 24 Jul 2021, 17:47 |
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Username Protected wrote: Are these delivered aircraft or manufactured? I’m finding it hard to believe Honda sold 31 aircraft with so many sitting on ramps. Also given Embraer’s 6 100s, wondering if there’s a 150 or 200 in store.
Chip- It says "Shipment". https://gama.aero/wp-content/uploads/20 ... 242021.pdf
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Post subject: Re: 2020 Small Turbine Shipments Posted: 24 Jul 2021, 19:29 |
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Joined: 06/05/09 Posts: 115 Post Likes: +41 Location: Missouri
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Username Protected wrote: Edited to add the CJ3+ and CJ4. Pilatus PC12: 82 Cirrus SF50: 73 King Air: 62 Phenom 300: 50 Cessna CJ3+ /CJ4: 44 Piper Mseries: 43 TBM: 42 Pilatus PC24: 41 Honda: 31 Citation M2: 24 Epic E1000: 7 Phenom 100: 6 The best selling companies in this marketplace are Textron (130) and Pilatus (123) with two other companies fighting for third: Cirrus (73), and Embraer (56). I wonder if Honda can make money selling 31 planes per year. I'm surprised the King Air is still selling so well. https://gama.aero/wp-content/uploads/20 ... 242021.pdf Honda doesn't need to make money. 31 planes per year ~ $150M in revenue, plus the parts and service side, on a company with a market cap of $56B. they are different than everyone else because they are building the plane as a "hobby" business. They could sustain a loss for 100 years if they chose (although I'd bet they have a respectable margin).
Honda is in this for the long game. They have a long history of moving slowly and methodically into a new market. I won’t be at all surprised when they enter the flying car market using the lessons learned from bringing the Honda jet to market.
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Post subject: Re: 2020 Small Turbine Shipments Posted: 25 Jul 2021, 12:24 |
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And Honda is apparently working on their next (and presumably bigger) jet, so they seem happy to plow money into this program based on a different view of what makes sense then the margin on aircraft sold. Will be interesting to see what they do …
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