BeechTalk - BT

Username Protected · **Posted:** 18 Jul 2021, 13:34

My 75 year old cousin bought a SF50. He is a 6,000 plus hour pilot (maybe 10,000 hour). His previous airplane was an Eclipse jet that he owned for many years. Before that he flew Piper Chieftain for a long time.

He loves the SF50 for where he is in life. He is done flying anybody other than his wife and dog. I haven’t received a full report, but he likes it even though it has less performance than the Eclipse.

So we have at least one experienced jet pilot and owner who picked a SF50 and got what he wanted.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 18 Jul 2021, 14:02

Username Protected wrote:

My 75 year old cousin bought a SF50. He is a 6,000 plus hour pilot (maybe 10,000 hour). His previous airplane was an Eclipse jet that he owned for many years. Before that he flew Piper Chieftain for a long time.

He loves the SF50 for where he is in life. He is done flying anybody other than his wife and dog. I haven’t received a full report, but he likes it even though it has less performance than the Eclipse.

So we have at least one experienced jet pilot and owner who picked a SF50 and got what he wanted.

Ed,

There are a lot of SF50 owners that love their experience with Cirrus. They just don’t hang out on BT. In case you haven’t noticed this isn’t the most Cirrus friendly group.

This guy loves his - N94AD

Peace,
Don

Username Protected · **Posted:** 18 Jul 2021, 14:40

Username Protected wrote:

My wife loved it too, front and back seats.

There's just not $2M and 65gph worth of places we need to go.

When you put it like that....2M buys a lot of charter, small jet or a SETP. It might seem expensive, but the customer is paying for somebody to take away ownership and pilot hassles.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 19 Jul 2021, 14:41

Im guessing a new VJ will depreciate more than a nice CJ or Mustang cost.

Pays for a lot of fuel....

Username Protected · **Posted:** 19 Jul 2021, 14:55

A fellow pilot who has regularly upgraded his Cirrus got his (second edition) and flew it over the Atlantic. He loves it, although he has early adopter goodwill having sold his early SF50 at a profit before delivery.

Cirrus trained him and he was impressed by the thoroughness of the training program.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 19 Jul 2021, 16:34

I’ve seen the SF50 training program and the full motion airline style simulator that type ratings are done in.

It is a very thorough type rating program. It is unspoken, but not everyone completes the program. Not a ticket someone can just buy.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 19 Jul 2021, 16:37

Username Protected wrote:

I’ve seen the SF50 training program and the full motion airline style simulator that type ratings are done in.

It is a very thorough type rating program. It is unspoken, but not everyone completes the program. Not a ticket someone can just buy.

So what happens if you own the plane but don’t make it through the type ride?

Are there any independent DPEs out there that can do an SF50 type?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 19 Jul 2021, 16:59

Username Protected wrote:

I’ve seen the SF50 training program and the full motion airline style simulator that type ratings are done in.

It is a very thorough type rating program. It is unspoken, but not everyone completes the program. Not a ticket someone can just buy.

So what happens if you own the plane but don’t make it through the type ride?

Are there any independent DPEs out there that can do an SF50 type?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 19 Jul 2021, 23:32

Username Protected wrote:

It is a very thorough type rating program. It is unspoken, but not everyone completes the program. Not a ticket someone can just buy.

That is the way it should be.

The type rating program will contribute vastly more to the safety of the SF50 than the parachute ever will.

Mike C.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 19 Jul 2021, 23:35

Username Protected wrote:

So what happens if you own the plane but don’t make it through the type ride?

Three choices:

1. Train until you can pass.

2. Hire a pilot.

3. Sell.

Some just don't have the talent to do it.

Mike C.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 20 Jul 2021, 00:17

Username Protected wrote:

So what happens if you own the plane but don’t make it through the type ride?

Three choices:

1. Train until you can pass.

2. Hire a pilot.

3. Sell.

Some just don't have the talent to do it.

Mike C.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 20 Jul 2021, 07:42

Username Protected wrote:

Not just a matter of "talent" but also of commitment. The type ride is an ATP checkride. Most of us duffers aren't ATP checkride material without some intense training.

As to the other poster's question, I'd presume that the SF50 is like any other jet type rating. Anyone with a full simulator handy (which cost 5x as much as the plane!) and the curriculum ready to go, and a DPE authorized to give the ride in your plane...

I'm fairly confident that's not entirely true - I share my hangar with an SF50 and its owner - he's typed in the jet, and is not a SEATP. It's an option if you want to, but it's a second separate checkride.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 20 Jul 2021, 08:06

ATP ride & a type ride can be combined into one ride.

Doesn't need to be 2 separate rides. (Unless something has changed).

:popcorn:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 20 Jul 2021, 09:04

A very large portion of the check ride and subsequent yearly 61.58’s in a jet are v1 cuts, single engine approaches, single engine go arounds etc, etc. Curious what a type rating in a SF50 consists of, and am kind of confused on why a type rating is required. Not discounting the complexity of the SF50, it’s just that I see little to no difference in any scenario you would encounter, that you would not see in a Meridian or TBM.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 20 Jul 2021, 09:18

Username Protected wrote:

A very large portion of the check ride and subsequent yearly 61.58’s in a jet are v1 cuts, single engine approaches, single engine go arounds etc, etc. Curious what a type rating in a SF50 consists of, and am kind of confused on why a type rating is required. Not discounting the complexity of the SF50, it’s just that I see little to no difference in any scenario you would encounter, that you would not see in a Meridian or TBM.

I strongly suspect that a type rating is required simply because when the FAA specified that one one is needed for any jet, there were no civilian single engine jets and they didn't envision the development of one.

Also FWIW, it's my understanding that if you already have an ATP-SE which you can get in a piston single, you'd only need the Vision Jet type rating.

Anyone here flying a Vision jet?