I got 2 mil smooth right off. But I use a great guy here on BT.

Just go to Loft. 10 days and you have your 500s with the FAA 25 hour mentor deal. At 25 hours call FSDO and they hand you 500 single pilot. That’s it....it simple. The 25 hours with a pro is the best money spent in your new JET... as my guy said many times. Rocky you are flying a jet.

Rocky

Loft told me I will have to get another check ride. Can’t just call. I think that’s with the 525 type rating. The 500 is different.

I don’t see any reason to do 10 day when I can do 4 day and get more time in my plane. I will have to do 25 hours before I can solo anyway.


Mike

My C510 type rating at FlightSafety International was way more educative, intense, professional, demanding and rewarding than any of my experiences in my aviation life so far. I don‘t think you can compare any C421 training to a type rating at a professional provider.

Getting your first jet type rating, I would choose the most professional training you can get and would always include a very good sim. You just can’t do all the failures, abnormals, emergencies, bad weather and upset recovery in the aircraft. AFAIK, FlightSafety is offering a C501 course at Atlanta.

I would not try to save neither money nor time for this big step. My C510 SP type rating was 18 days and it was even too condensed for some. Skip some items and you might regret when trying to figure out what the hell is going on in real life one day. Those are fast and complex machines.

Operating a jet single pilot, the component most likely to fail is right beneath the headset.

I don't see why the 500 rating should be different than the 525S.

You should be able to get the type rating in the sim, do the 25 hours SOE and get to fly SP without another checkride.

Well for starters, all aircraft covered by the CE525 type rating were certified as single pilot airplanes; not the case with all aircraft covered by the CE500 type rating.

The CE500 type rating covers the CE500, CE501, CE550, CE551, and CE560. Only the CE501 and CE551 were certified as single pilot. The CE525 type rating covers the CE525, CE525A, CE525B and CE525C, all of which were certified as single pilot.

So for the CE525 you can get a PIC type rating that is either a CE525(S) type rating (single pilot), or a CE525 type rating (which requires an SIC).

For the CE500, IF you take the ride in a CE501 or CE551, AND you take it as single pilot, your CE500 type rating will permit you to fly the CE501 (or CE551) single pilot (in whichever airplane you took the ride, not both, and your logbook will so note), and act as PIC in a CE500, CE550, or CE560 with an SIC. OR if you meet certain requirements you can get a letter of exemption that will permit you to fly the CE500, CE550, and CE560 single pilot also.

This is independent of what your insurance company will require (mentor time), and it is further complicated if it is your first type rating and you did it in a sim (which will come with PIC restrictions, i.e. an IOE (if part 121) / SOE (if part 91) requirement).

It may be complicated, but it's not THAT complicated. It's been explained numerous times accurately in this (and other) thread(s). And sometimes explained inaccurately, lol.

How much simpler this would be if there was a CE-500S type rating, allows flying CE-500 single pilot (all of them).

No stupid SPE, no confusion on who can fly or not fly 501/551, simple.

Mike C.

Well for starters, all aircraft covered by the CE525 type rating were certified as single pilot airplanes; not the case with all aircraft covered by the CE500 type rating.

The CE500 type rating covers the CE500, CE501, CE550, CE551, and CE560. Only the CE501 and CE551 were certified as single pilot. The CE525 type rating covers the CE525, CE525A, CE525B and CE525C, all of which were certified as single pilot.

So for the CE525 you can get a PIC type rating that is either a CE525(S) type rating (single pilot), or a CE525 type rating (which requires an SIC).

For the CE500, IF you take the ride in a CE501 or CE551, AND you take it as single pilot, your CE500 type rating will permit you to fly the CE501 (or CE551) single pilot (in whichever airplane you took the ride, not both, and your logbook will so note), and act as PIC in a CE500, CE550, or CE560 with an SIC. OR if you meet certain requirements you can get a letter of exemption that will permit you to fly the CE500, CE550, and CE560 single pilot also.

This is independent of what your insurance company will require (mentor time), and it is further complicated if it is your first type rating and you did it in a sim (which will come with PIC restrictions, i.e. an IOE (if part 121) / SOE (if part 91) requirement).

It may be complicated, but it's not THAT complicated. It's been explained numerous times accurately in this (and other) thread(s). And sometimes explained inaccurately, lol.

[quote="Mike Ciholas"]How much simpler this would be if there was a CE-500S type rating, allows flying CE-500 single pilot (all of them).

No stupid SPE, no confusion on who can fly or not fly 501/551, simple.

Mike C.[/quote

You did so much for the MU2 fuel controller issue .You obviously know how to deal with FAA . Why don’t you make this your pet project .

Except this is NOT what has happened to a few BT members in this thread. They took the check ride in an SP aircraft and did the check ride SP, yet they were given the SIC required limitation on their type rating. This is wrong and goes against the regs as I have read them (and against what you wrote above).

This is why everyone is spun up and why there is "confusion". It seems like DPEs are not following the rules and placing limitations on people's ratings based on their own feelings.

Except this is NOT what has happened to a few BT members in this thread. They took the check ride in an SP aircraft and did the check ride SP, yet they were given the SIC required limitation on their type rating. This is wrong and goes against the regs as I have read them (and against what you wrote above).

This is why everyone is spun up and why there is "confusion". It seems like DPEs are not following the rules and placing limitations on people's ratings based on their own feelings.

Correct, they can fail you. But they don't then issue you a consolation prize.

Correct, they can fail you. But they don't then issue you a consolation prize.

I thought the "SIC Required" was the consolation prize?

Mike C - what’s been impression of Citation vs Mu2 after 35 hours of ops….