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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 03 Mar 2021, 23:42 |
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Joined: 01/21/14 Posts: 5161 Post Likes: +3702 Company: FAA Flight Check Location: Oklahoma City, OK (KOKC)
Aircraft: King Air 300F/C90GTx
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Saw one in Midland, TX (KMAF) this morning. A different looking paint job than I usually see.
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 04 Mar 2021, 12:35 |
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Joined: 01/12/10 Posts: 404 Post Likes: +782 Location: Dallas, Texas
Aircraft: Piaggio P180, TTx
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My Italian Stallions... Attachment: IMG_3501.JPG
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 04 Mar 2021, 13:13 |
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Joined: 09/02/09 Posts: 8456 Post Likes: +8430 Company: OAA Location: Oklahoma City - PWA/Calistoga KSTS
Aircraft: UMF3, UBF 2, P180 II
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Username Protected wrote: Tony - this is a tough winter for winds. I bet you will start making the westbound soon. 40-50kt gradient on the nose and you should make it. 100kt kills the range especially if it’s ifr on the other end.
How does the round trip compare to the TBM? Is your wife enjoying the bigger cabin? Anthony, I looked at trips last year in the TBM during the same time period. No notes on HW/TW but I assume they were actually less because I was flying lower. My average round trip was 9:54 average. As I said above my P180 trips are averaging 8.33 so the savings is 1.2 hours on a round trip. As to my wife: - she is less fatigued on arrival and the balance of arrival day. I assume this is due to lower altitude cabin (5-6k vs. 10k) and less noise. - she says the comfort is about the same as she was very comfortable in the back of the TBM. However, she's only flown with one other passenger so far so hasn't had to play footsie which is certainly a bit more intimate in the TBM. - she loves the enclosed potty. We had a potty in the TBM but it had two issues: hard to get pants down and back up because she couldn't stand upright and she wasn't comfortable using it (of course) with anyone but me on board. - she does not like to fly. She "pretended" not to be there in the Cirrus and TBM by watching movies. Now she's in a bigger cabin and feels more comfortable. Plus, she likes getting there faster.
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 04 Mar 2021, 13:44 |
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Joined: 07/01/19 Posts: 742 Post Likes: +340
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Username Protected wrote: My Italian Stallions... Attachment: IMG_3501.JPG Does Ferrari warrant the clutch when it’s a tug? Seriously beautiful.
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 04 Mar 2021, 17:13 |
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Joined: 09/02/09 Posts: 8456 Post Likes: +8430 Company: OAA Location: Oklahoma City - PWA/Calistoga KSTS
Aircraft: UMF3, UBF 2, P180 II
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Username Protected wrote: Got my plane back today after a few weeks of kerfuffle caused by the sending out a part that got ensnared in the TX weather fiasco. Fedex still hasn’t delivered it but I got a loaner so I could get back in the air.
Did single engine work today as well, such a well mannered plane to fly on one engine. Failed one on a missed approach go around. Put in some rudder, clean it up and you are going uphill at 1400fpm.
Stalls are interesting as the fwd wing stalls first with a little micro buffet. Extremely benign.
Maintainance shop detailed the plane before I picked it up too. That was a nice surprise. They made the cockpit look brand new.
Continue to pinch myself every flight in this thing. Such a cool plane. Screen envy!
_________________ Travel Air B4000, Waco UBF2,UMF3,YMF5, UPF7,YKS 6, Fairchild 24W, Cessna 120 Never enough!
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 06 Mar 2021, 23:24 |
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Joined: 02/26/21 Posts: 27 Post Likes: +7
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Especially in Europe, but from what I can find this also applies to certain airports in the US, the P180 is banned due to noise. This is European regulations at its smallest. Having an aircraft that has a larger carbon footprint is preferred over noise. (similar faith for the MU-2).
Are there any plans to retrofit the Avanti I and/or II with the newer Evo props to reduce the noise footprint or are operators expected to upgrade to the Evo and just part out their "old" Avanti?
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 07 Mar 2021, 00:22 |
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Joined: 04/24/18 Posts: 727 Post Likes: +340 Location: NYC
Aircraft: ISP Eagle II SR22 g2
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Username Protected wrote: Especially in Europe, but from what I can find this also applies to certain airports in the US, the P180 is banned due to noise. This is European regulations at its smallest. Having an aircraft that has a larger carbon footprint is preferred over noise. (similar faith for the MU-2).
Are there any plans to retrofit the Avanti I and/or II with the newer Evo props to reduce the noise footprint or are operators expected to upgrade to the Evo and just part out their "old" Avanti? What airports in the US banned the avanti?
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