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 Post subject: Re: New Citation being introduced 2/9/21?
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None of the tubes even compare to the pc24! Fit and finish is far superior to the 300 and cj4.


Are you saying the fit/finish of the PC24 is better than the P300E? IMHO I disagree. The PC24 tube is nice with the flat floor but you pay a speed penalty. However, the P300E interior is better then the PC24. I'm sure Pilatus will improve as they continue to tweak the aircraft. One example is the window shades. The PC24 shades are manual and exposed; kinda like cheap blinds from Lowes whereas the 300E shades are protected.


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 Post subject: Re: New Citation being introduced 2/9/21?
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I volunteer to fly with you and test out your lav in flight. We can also test the air circulation and fresh air if we hit a TexMex dive before the flight. :bugeye:

PC24, Phenom, CJ4, Gulfstream - None are safe.

I still enjoy the Homer Bucket, garbage bag, 3 mil liner, and pool noodle though only my PAX get to use it. ...funny how it usually ends up storing trash and everyone bolts to the FBO!


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 Post subject: Re: New Citation being introduced 2/9/21?
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I still enjoy the Homer Bucket, garbage bag, 3 mil liner, and pool noodle though only my PAX get to use it. ...funny how it usually ends up storing trash and everyone bolts to the FBO!


Ok. I’ll bite, reluctantly. What’s the pool noodle for?


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That cabin is sweet! CJ4 was already a great pilot’s airplane. Now it’s a much better passenger’s plane as well. I don’t sit in the back but I still care. People that get to ride back there for the first time will have a more amazing experience in the gen 2. I wish I could afford a new one instead of some crappy old used one.

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I still enjoy the Homer Bucket, garbage bag, 3 mil liner, and pool noodle though only my PAX get to use it. ...funny how it usually ends up storing trash and everyone bolts to the FBO!


Ok. I’ll bite, reluctantly. What’s the pool noodle for?


It makes a foam seat of sorts and holds the trash can liner in place.

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 Post subject: Re: New Citation being introduced 2/9/21?
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Is this the best they can do? Kept Pro-Line, they felt this would drive more sales?


An insider told me the Pro-Line is so integrated into the CJ4 systems that unscrewing it and screwing in the Garmin 3000 is too expensive/complicated.


Well then maybe they should sell the business to someone who does not find it too complicated.

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So do we call this the Citation CJ4 Penguin after the Gentoo penguin?


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None of the tubes even compare to the pc24! Fit and finish is far superior to the 300 and cj4.


Are you saying the fit/finish of the PC24 is better than the P300E? IMHO I disagree. The PC24 tube is nice with the flat floor but you pay a speed penalty. However, the P300E interior is better then the PC24. I'm sure Pilatus will improve as they continue to tweak the aircraft. One example is the window shades. The PC24 shades are manual and exposed; kinda like cheap blinds from Lowes whereas the 300E shades are protected.


I am in this camp as well. The PC-24 COULD have a better fit and finish inside, but they have always chosen the utilitarian route with their finishes. Nice materials, but very simple and plain inside from the two I have seen in person. This is coming from an owner of a 300, and I took a demo in a new 300E a few years back.

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