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Post subject: Re: The Limited Edition 8000 SR --- from Cirrus  Posted: 31 Jan 2021, 12:57 |
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Username Protected wrote: I loved flying every Beechcraft that I've flown, the Cirrus that I flew was just ok. Nice, but ok.
The Cirrus marketing makes me want to bo buy the airplane.
Beechcraft (Textron) marketing makes me want to take a nap...
I have owned four Beechcraft aircraft over the past 23 years and not once have I heard from their sales department, not even a post card... I'll bet prospective King Air customers got some cards. But you're absolutely right, Beechcraft's decline was caused not only by the overall decline in general aviation, but through the neglect of their piston customers. A LOT of Cirrus owners have moved up to turbines. Beechcraft forgot that Bonanza owners become turbine owners and there is no better audience to market to.
Here's the sad part. About 3-4 years ago, I researched and bought a C-441 for a customer. I'd bet if Beech showed up with a King Air to compare the 441 with, they would own one instead (not necessarily a new one, but....) However, we have no regrets buying the 441...
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Post subject: Re: The Limited Edition 8000 SR --- from Cirrus Posted: 31 Jan 2021, 13:50 |
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Username Protected wrote: It was a good upgrade and I’d do it again given the choice What about power-off glide?
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Post subject: Re: The Limited Edition 8000 SR --- from Cirrus Posted: 05 Feb 2021, 14:55 |
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Username Protected wrote: 4 blade prop is cool looking. I didn't read their literature but I wonder how it performs. Climb might be neutral or slightly increased, cruise will be decreased, typically. More blades generally lowers the cruise efficiency of a prop. If that's not true, then there has been unequal effort in optimization and the fewer blade prop could be improved. I would assume the 3 blade prop is about as good as it can get. These changes are small enough they probably won't publish changed numbers, sweeping the changes into the general unit to unit variation. Mike C.
Hi Mike,
Does that apply to TPs too? I have been drooling over TPs (researching 441 and MU-2) and noticed that Air 1st in SC likes to put 5-blade Composite MT props on their MU-2s. They claim that they give you the moon and the stars. But considering you spend most of your time in cruise, your statement casts some doubt on the benefits?
Chris
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Post subject: Re: The Limited Edition 8000 SR --- from Cirrus Posted: 05 Feb 2021, 19:54 |
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Username Protected wrote: It was a good upgrade and I’d do it again given the choice What about power-off glide?
Funny you should ask... I have a thousand or so sr22 hours and have probably flown every airframe/powerplant/prop combination. I borrowed a NA G3 with the MT 4 blade to get my CSIP credential. The power off 180 to a landing maneuver was noticeably more difficult with the 4 blade. It was enough of a departure from the norm that the Cirrus examiner commented several times. The MT was a good product otherwise.
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Post subject: Re: The Limited Edition 8000 SR --- from Cirrus Posted: 05 Feb 2021, 19:58 |
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Username Protected wrote: I have been drooling over TPs (researching 441 and MU-2) and noticed that Air 1st in SC likes to put 5-blade Composite MT props on their MU-2s. They claim that they give you the moon and the stars. But considering you spend most of your time in cruise, your statement casts some doubt on the benefits? The 5 blade MT props have the following benefits: They look cool. They are quieter somewhat. They avoid an AD (on the 4 blade MU2s). They weigh less. They have slightly better takeoff and climb performance. They have the following negatives: They cost $100K. They don't shed ice very well because they don't vibrate like the metal props. They have to be rebuilt every 6 years. They don't materially increase cruise speed. Mike C.
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