BeechTalk - BT

Username Protected · **Posted:** 23 Dec 2020, 23:41

The SR20 ,15years ago, had virtually identical numbers as our 1957 H35 except HP. Only 200 vs 240. Yuck! The insurance was astronomic in comparison for the owner getting his PPL. His wife looked at our 56 172 the daughters were flying and called me an irresponsible parent for putting then in “that death trap”! BTW that lady took 75 hours to solo in the ‘20.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 Dec 2020, 09:16

Username Protected wrote:

It even lands like a car that flies.

Try and tell that to the owners of the two (!) Cirri rotting on the ramp at HPN after essentially identical porpoise, loss of control, smashed nosewheel and prop accidents.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 Dec 2020, 09:34

Username Protected wrote:

Cirri aren’t any harder to land than any similar Cessna or Piper

No plane is as easy to land as it is to drive a car.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 Dec 2020, 09:42

The G5 SR 22 I owned was as easy to land as parking a car.

What is HORRIBLE about the Cirrus is using one for primary trainer.

JUST TOO MANY DISTRACTIONS FROM LEARNING TO FLY

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 Dec 2020, 11:06

I am a fairly low time pilot compared to most of you. I owned a 2002 A36 back in the day before my PPL and flew right seat in it for 1700 hours. When I finally got the urge to get my license, last year, I bought a 172 to train in and a SR22 G3 to get my instrument rating in and fly for family trips. I had wanted a Bonanza but couldn't get insurance due to the retractable gear.

I really like the Cirrus. I tried not to but I really do. I have the Perspective electronics and they are very intuitive and easy to work. The plane flies beautifully with the autopilot and the A/C works much better than the Bo's did and you can turn it on and leave it on. There is plenty of leg room in the back for passengers and my NA with TKS has right at 1050lbs useful load and no CG problems. There is a large storage area in the back big enough to shove your mother in-law in as well. I find that it flies quite nicely, is very stable, and I have no problem landing it smoothly. The key is speed control. They are a little slippery so you just manage your speed on approach and don't be screaming in the pattern. Pretty much like every other plane.

All in all its been a great plane. My family enjoys it, my wife likes the chute of course. Hell, I like the chute. I fly a lot late in the afternoons after work and I like the idea of having a chute when its dark is nice. Like I said before, I tried not to like it but I am a fan now. She's a keeper until I get ready for a STP.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 Dec 2020, 13:33

What is the TAS and FF of a SR20? I see 155kts advertised, is that real?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 Dec 2020, 14:27

Username Protected wrote:

Cirri aren’t any harder to land than any similar Cessna or Piper

No plane is as easy to land as it is to drive a car.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 Dec 2020, 14:57

Username Protected wrote:

The G5 SR 22 I owned was as easy to land as parking a car.

What is HORRIBLE about the Cirrus is using one for primary trainer.

JUST TOO MANY DISTRACTIONS FROM LEARNING TO FLY

Personally I think that is the case with any new airplane with a glass panel being used for initial training. First thing anyone thinks they need to do is push a button or look at the monitor for traffic INSTEAD OF OUT THE WINDOW.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 Dec 2020, 14:58

I'm sure my mission is different than many here, but if I could afford a new Cirrus, I can think of probably 50 or more different airplanes I would rather have, starting with a few warbirds.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 Dec 2020, 16:01

If the attraction to the Cirrus for some is the parachute, you could buy two refurbished Cessna 182's with IO 550 conversions with BRS parachutes for about the same price as one late model Cirrus and get about a 1300 pound useful load. Just say'n.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 Dec 2020, 16:32

Username Protected wrote:

If the attraction to the Cirrus for some is the parachute, you could buy two refurbished Cessna 182's with IO 550 conversions with BRS parachutes for about the same price as one late model Cirrus and get about a 1300 pound useful load.

....and not be FIKI, and go 25 knots slower, and not have real modern avionics and autopilot, and look like a regular old Cessna...

It's all about one's perspective..

Fortunately for all of us, we get to choose which planes we want to buy. I have the best plane ever made, but if some of you want to fly 182s and SR22s, that's OK with me; the 182 and the SR22 I had were both fine airplanes.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 Dec 2020, 16:50

Username Protected wrote:

If the attraction to the Cirrus for some is the parachute, you could buy two refurbished Cessna 182's with IO 550 conversions with BRS parachutes for about the same price as one late model Cirrus and get about a 1300 pound useful load.

....and not be FIKI, and go 25 knots slower, and not have real modern avionics and autopilot, and look like a regular old Cessna...

It's all about one's perspective..

Fortunately for all of us, we get to choose which planes we want to buy. I have the best plane ever made, but if some of you want to fly 182s and SR22s, that's OK with me; the 182 and the SR22 I had were both fine airplanes.