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Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die  Posted: 09 Dec 2020, 18:29 |
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Username Protected wrote: There seems to be zero rigor in the flight test program. Third flight at sundown... is that common for a prototype flight test program? Seems to be? That is like watching a movie about talking dinosaurs and pointing out a plot hole.
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Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die Posted: 09 Dec 2020, 20:57 |
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Username Protected wrote: Edit: this begs the question why doesn't Velocity just make a bigger cabin and accept the speed tradeoff, and I suspect the answer is their customers don't want it. Doesn't bode well for Peter. The XL is already wider and roomier than most GA 4-5 seaters, and they were/are working on a 3 row 6 seat twin. https://www.velocityaircraft.com/aircra ... evelopmentThe market interest in the Raptor was all about the price and performance numbers that he won’t come close to meeting, plus maybe the pressurization. I can’t imagine an even wider cabin than a Velocity XL was ever an exiting selling point. When people realize it is going to take 10,000 hours to build a kit that misses all performance targets and has a price tag well above what was promised, I see interest evaporating fast.
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Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die Posted: 10 Dec 2020, 07:46 |
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Username Protected wrote: Edit: this begs the question why doesn't Velocity just make a bigger cabin and accept the speed tradeoff, and I suspect the answer is their customers don't want it. Doesn't bode well for Peter. If by bigger, you mean longer, then it's in the works. Although it is a twin. Wider? Probably not.
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Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die Posted: 10 Dec 2020, 09:14 |
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Username Protected wrote: 130 knots 75% power with the gear down.
groundbreaking In fairness, it did “break ground”.
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Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die Posted: 10 Dec 2020, 11:33 |
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Username Protected wrote: I am looking forward to when he adds pressurization. With the large cabin, and the heat coming off the turbos, you might be able to do a whole hog pig roast in the back seats on your way to a BBQ destination. Well, as long as they have a 7000 foot runway. In all seriousness on this question, I wonder if the pressurization system includes a heat exchanger for the high pressure air (not sure you can build a system for FL250 that doesn't include one of those). And for the current prototype, I wonder if it at least have something in place representative of the weight and physical/packaging of a heat exchanger and associated plumbing and hardware, if not a real unit so that the cooling flow through it is also present in the airplane's aerodynamics.
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Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die Posted: 10 Dec 2020, 12:35 |
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Username Protected wrote: And for the current prototype, I wonder if it at least have something in place representative of the weight and... Angle iron from menards. Lots of it, as we've seen.
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Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die Posted: 10 Dec 2020, 13:12 |
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Username Protected wrote: I am looking forward to when he adds pressurization. With the large cabin, and the heat coming off the turbos, you might be able to do a whole hog pig roast in the back seats on your way to a BBQ destination. Well, as long as they have a 7000 foot runway. In all seriousness on this question, I wonder if the pressurization system includes a heat exchanger for the high pressure air (not sure you can build a system for FL250 that doesn't include one of those). And for the current prototype, I wonder if it at least have something in place representative of the weight and physical/packaging of a heat exchanger and associated plumbing and hardware, if not a real unit so that the cooling flow through it is also present in the airplane's aerodynamics.
I think he has that in the current design. Remember he thought this was going to be a full featured pre production model. So he had all the stuff in this that the final product would need. At least I think he did. But maybe he gave up on pressurized parts.
Peter does not understand product development process. Rarely can you go from 1st prototype to production, especially on complete products. Usually there are prototypes, Beta units, Pre Production, then production.
Even the first one out of production is still a Beta and not production. He has a long ways to go to get from where he is to production. And I don't see it happening without getting some experts and engineers involved. I really doubt he has created the confidence to get people to buy his design. Early on I was thinking, hey I would buy this plane. No way in hell now.
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Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die Posted: 10 Dec 2020, 16:43 |
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Username Protected wrote: 130 knots 75% power with the gear down.
groundbreaking It doesn't go fast enough to break the ground.
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Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die Posted: 10 Dec 2020, 17:35 |
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Username Protected wrote: Edit: this begs the question why doesn't Velocity just make a bigger cabin and accept the speed tradeoff, and I suspect the answer is their customers don't want it. Doesn't bode well for Peter. If by bigger, you mean longer, then it's in the works. Although it is a twin. Wider? Probably not.
Saw that. Seems like a good place for storing bags, refreshments, or extra legroom for the 4 seats. In the 340 the utility of 5 roomy seats, at least for us, is more than 6 small seats. I believe this is pretty universal, Aerostar, P210, etc.
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Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die Posted: 10 Dec 2020, 18:23 |
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Username Protected wrote: And space for a large dog! Space for an emotional support pony!
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Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die Posted: 10 Dec 2020, 18:42 |
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Username Protected wrote: And space for a large dog! Space for an emotional support pony!
My dog resembles an emotional support bear more than a pony, but in a privately owned experimental, I don’t think you need the fake support animal certificate. It’s your plane, so take your bear, dog, pony, and peacock if you want.
In the Raptor though, I am sticking to the nutritional support pig. At least once he pressurizes it with air coming out of a 300 degree inter-”cooler”. The Raptor will let me engage in two of my favorite pastimes simultaneously; flying and BBQ! Who cares if it is slower than a 182?
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Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die Posted: 10 Dec 2020, 18:45 |
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My dog resembles an emotional support bear more than a pony, but in a privately owned experimental, I don’t think you need the fake support animal certificate. It’s your plane, so take your bear, dog, pony, and peacock if you want.
In the Raptor though, I am sticking to the nutritional support pig. At least once he pressurizes it with air coming out of a 300 degree inter-”cooler”. The Raptor will let me engage in two of my favorite pastimes simultaneously; flying and BBQ! Who cares if it is slower than a 182?[/quote]
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