American Legend Cub Super Legend. Cheaper than cubcrafters, standard super cub construction, but wider cabin and double doors. Great factory supporting most of the parts are available from Univair.

We have been very pleased with ours over the last six years.

Brad, there's a big difference between planes that can operate off 500' sea level unobstructed strips and still cruise reasonably (185, Xcub at 130-150 KTAS), and hyper-specialized STOL aircraft like the Zenith/Just/Kitfox/Helio which can stop the wheels 1-200' after touchdown but only when very light and at the cost of a lot of cruise speed (80-90 KTAS except for the Helio).

In the middle are the lighter semi-touring airframes like the Huskies and Pacers that land somewhere in the 300' range when light at sea level, and cruise at 105-115 KTAS. Most super cubs do not land in 200', no matter what their owners say.

The pilot gives up a LOT going on either end of the spectrum - cruise speed and usability on one end, cost and runway needed on the other. There's a reason why so many carbon cubs and Huskies get sold. If you need a 4-place, you can soup up a Pacer like I did, or buy a Bearhawk (experimental) or Helio ( ).

-J

I came across this one on Barnstormers this morning:

2019 ZLIN SAVAGE OUTBACK SHOCK • $189,999 • AVAILABLE FOR SALE • 2019 Zlin Savage Outback Shock ELSA Perfect! 30 hrs TTSN! Continental Titian Stroker O-340 w/Titan Fuel Injection GAMI injectors 30 hrs SNEW Cato 84" 2 Blade Prop 30 hrs SNEW 3 color paint scheme Extended 12" Compression, 6" x 3" Reinforced Cross Truss Cabane Landing Gear System Beringer 6" Wheels and Brakes, Pilot and Co-pilot brakes, 29" Alaska Bushwheels Garmin G5 AI, Garmin GDL 52 ADSB IN, Garmin 796, Trig COM, Trig Transponder ADSB OUT Dual LED landing lights and nav lights Cabin Heat AmSafe Seat Belts Carbon Package, Panel, Front and Rear Seats, Floor Boards Wing Tip Fences • Contact Chad Graves , Broker - located Byers, CO United States • Telephone: 303 946 6020 • 303 9466020 • Fax: 303 9466020 • Posted October 19, 2020

How does Maule stack up against these others?

Thanks! the rear is a single seat, so one passenger. All the speeds are in MPH, so just figure 100mph everywhere you go! The engine is O360 180HP, so it is pretty peppy for a 1,000# airplane.

Thanks for replies,

To reiterate my Aerostar is next to unbeatable in a piston traveling airplane....for me.

My STOL airplane will be mostly for short trips and occasional longer ones so anything over 100mph in cruise works. Sure phastR is better but low end stall speed and really short landings are my goal for this airplane

At this point I don’t know what I don’t know. What I think is I want the slowest flying airplane that is also VERY strong and a good strong engine...except for a Helio which is a KOOL airplane but not on my list.

Mostly wheel landings in my GCBC Citabria which has flaps and does land pretty short when wheel landing.
I will be working on wheel landings more in the coming months in preparation for a true STOL airplane.

If known please list stall speed of recommended airplanes.

I WANNA LAND RITE.....THERE!

Budget will determine the plane you buy.

PA-18 is pretty much money in the bank.

My dad had a Helio when I got my license. I bought one in the 80's and could KICK MY BUTT for ever letting it go.

Offer me a $400,000 carbon Cub or a $100,000 Helio to keep.

Hands down the Helio: legitimate speed, utility, useful load, comfort. Most of everything else is just a toy.

Jg

Just put 31in Alaskan Bushwheels and a baby bushwheel on your 7gcbc. There may also be an STC for a climb prop as well. That would be a pretty enviable STOL setup that should be able to take on most strips.

Keep it light and when you get to the point when you can consistently make book performance numbers or better and are always hitting your landing spot, then look to upgrade. I would go with a Carbon cub on 35s. It’s offers the most upgrade from the citabria from a STOL perspective. I also imagine that if your used to flying an Aerostar/cirrus/American Champion, a Kitfox or Just isn’t going to have the build you would expect.

I would buy/build (or have built) the Zenith CH 750 Super Duty with Alaskan bush wheels.

Not going to cruise much over 100 mph, not sleek, but lands and takes off in less than 200 ft...No pretense, no BS, just gets the job done.

https://youtu.be/BnH-_r1SM3E

KJ

R/STOL Silver Eagle on Controller. 45 knot stall with beta available... probably not at all what you’re looking for but still pretty cool!

https://www.controller.com/listings/air ... /190422013

I have around a hundred hours in Carbon Cubs, about 150 in X-Cubs and over a thousand in Super Cubs. No doubt about it, Super Cub gives best bang for the buck. In the right hands it is a capable airplane, and it'll cost easily less than 1/3rd a Carbon Cub.

Keith, will that zenith legitimately get to 100?

old hangar neighbor had one with an O-360 that hit a brick wall at 80mph

I am no expert, have not had one. Just have been researching something better at STOL than my 205.

The recent 750 Super Duty model has 205 hp and I believe it cruises just over 100 mph if you use a high power setting. The plane definitely does not want to go that fast and a low power cruise looks to be in the low 90’s.

The non super duty 750 is usually 90-130 hp and cruises 80-90 mph.

The wing and wing cuff that gives the amazing STOL performance severely limits the top speed. I think all the 750s hit an aerodynamic wall around 80 mph and you have to pour power/fuel to the problem to go faster.

For me it would not be a traveling plane.

I don’t think anything within reasonable cost beats the STOL performance and visibility.

This plane is built for one purpose...STOL performance.

KJ

Science says slats or slots give you 12 degrees more AoA on your wing. VGs give you 4 to 6. Competition results seem to bear this out. I loved a SOCATA Rallye (full span slats) for 10 years - idiot proof and STOL, but not a bush plane (small wheels). If it were me... Just Aircraft SUPERSTOL. I took the sales ride at the factory. Amazing.