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 Post subject: Re: Lowest op cost plane for 4 ppl 200knot, 800nm, no O2
PostPosted: 23 Oct 2020, 20:54 
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I'll second the TSIO-550 Malibu.
Here the fuel range ring still shows over 800nm left after about 500-600nm.
I'm showing 196KTS groundspeed with 3kts on the nose. I wasn't pushing it hard and was only at FL210 on a hot +25C std day.
I also have a radar pod, so that costs a couple knots too.


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 Post subject: Re: Lowest op cost plane for 4 ppl 200knot, 800nm, no O2
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Straight C90...prices are cheaper than you would think for an early one. Engines go way beyond TBO (do HSI), part 91 you can find ways to save...

225-230TAS at 16-22k. Higher you go less fuel.


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 Post subject: Re: Lowest op cost plane for 4 ppl 200knot, 800nm, no O2
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Performance wise its really hard to beat the 601P I have now.

The downside is in 286 hours I've owned it I have spent more than $500 hr on unscheduled maintenance. (More than 1/2 of this from an odd engine failure, lifter split in half and trashed the inside of the engine)

If I sell it for my reasonable market based asking price ($200K),
not counting Fuel costs (fuel probably about $210/hr)
It will have cost me more than $800/hr all in.

If I adjust for training and maintenance hours and include fuel
total operating cost is around $1250 for used flight hour.

I paid cash for everything and I am computing my cost of money/capital at 0.
Also I have no business need for this so it is all after tax $

It is getting close to needing a new engine on the right side, and could really use paint.
So I could easily spend another $100K


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Paul. I 100% believe if you survived flying an Aerostar you’d be fine in a Iv-p. I never had a single scary moment in mine. Solid 260kt airplane. My biggest problem with this and the Malibu is the garbage tsio-550. It’s a pile of crap for an engine and I genuinely don’t trust it. Best 200kt airplane I’ve owned is a Lycoming Harmon Rocket.

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The Aerostar I fly is $400/hr and I believe it is rented way under price and should be $600/hr easy. However, the owner has not had any major surprises from a $100k engine. Honestly, at $1,200/hr you are in KingAir territory as far as operating costs. Acquisition costs will be what takes you for a loop. Then again, the acquisition costs for an SR-22 are just about as eye watering.

Find a 175kt aircraft like an SR-22 and enjoy the (albeit slower) ride.


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$1200 an hour should get you comfortably into an MU-2.


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$1200 an hour should get you comfortably into an MU-2.


I’m in Mexico now with my MU-2 (50 years old). I think it’s closer to $500 an hour. Most reliable airplane I’ve ever owned.


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Velocity XL-RG with an IO-550.

I'm just at 200kts with an 1,100nm range. I know the TSIO550 Velocity's can make 200kts with no problem.


I don't think you can beat ^^ for the mission as stated at the lowest cost. My choice would be a PII B55, although event at 200kts that mission is tough, 4 hrs min in a tight plane is a tough ask. I'd be looking at 250kts + if I was doing that on a consistent basis.

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Lancair ES-P, if you can find one for sale.


Or a Lancair Super ES, you don’t need the -P and if you want four adults you’ll appreciate the greater useful load of the ES

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I haven't read all the way through, but I assume someone mentioned the Mooney Ovation with the funky two bladed "pressure prop" that had the blade extensions designed to force more air in the intake. That machine had a true airspeed of nearly 195 kts down low. I believe it is/was the fastest normally aspirated certified production aircraft ever built.


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I haven't read all the way through, but I assume someone mentioned the Mooney Ovation with the funky two bladed "pressure prop" that had the blade extensions designed to force more air in the intake. That machine had a true airspeed of nearly 195 kts down low. I believe it is/was the fastest normally aspirated certified piston single production aircraft ever built.


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You had a lifter split in half, trashed an engine, and that’s going to push you into a single? Most people, that would convince them of a twin or a parachute.


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>You had a lifter split in half, trashed an engine, and that’s going to push you into a single? >Most people, that would convince them of a twin or a parachute.

The 601P has real high strung engines twin turbos , stealing bleed air for pressurization.
In 286 hours I've landed with 2 engine failures.
One the lifter, ran ok on 5 cylinders.
The other a defect in a brand new cylinder that caused a blow torch to form around a spark plug helicoil that was loose and blowtorch the cht sensor making me think I had a fire. In both cases in a single would have made it to an airport.

Below 500 ft on takeoff I'd much rather have an engine failure in a single.
Above 500ft a BRS parachute starts to make sense.

A single would change some of my behavior, I'd be less likely to invite others on some trips.


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I haven't read all the way through, but I assume someone mentioned the Mooney Ovation with the funky two bladed "pressure prop" that had the blade extensions designed to force more air in the intake. That machine had a true airspeed of nearly 195 kts down low. I believe it is/was the fastest normally aspirated certified piston single production aircraft ever built.


I went on a demo flight in one of these — most impressive!

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$1200 an hour should get you comfortably into an MU-2.


I’m in Mexico now with my MU-2 (50 years old). I think it’s closer to $500 an hour. Most reliable airplane I’ve ever owned.


Most of the owners/operators I have talked to (20+) spend closer to the $1200 an hour, especially if you include engine reserve and training.

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