BeechTalk - BT

Username Protected · **Posted:** 06 Jan 2020, 21:49

One quote came in.

Me: 15,000 hours total time, multiple type ratings, yearly Boeing school flying about 600-700 hours a year, would get yearly required MU-2 school, about 500 hours single pilot turboprop PIC.

Airplane: $175k hull value, flying 50-60 hours a year, no partners, hangared, etc.

Insurance. 3% of hull value plus $1,300 for Liability & medical = $6,550 per year.

Almost double the Duke with not that big a hull price difference, same number of seats, etc.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 06 Jan 2020, 21:56

Username Protected wrote:

One quote came in.

Me: 15,000 hours total time, multiple type ratings, yearly Boeing school flying about 600-700 hours a year, would get yearly required MU-2 school, about 500 hours single pilot turboprop PIC.

Airplane: $175k hull value, flying 50-60 hours a year, no partners, hangared, etc.

Insurance. 3% of hull value plus $1,300 for Liability & medical = $6,550 per year.

Almost double the Duke with not that big a hull price difference, same number of seats, etc.

How much of your total turbine time is PIC? How old is your PIC turbine time?

Just getting a feel as a build a group of jet pilots.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 06 Jan 2020, 22:18

That’s cheap insurance, don’t think significantly better quotes will come in. They know that there is a difference between the 121 & 91 environment even with the same guy.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 06 Jan 2020, 22:28

Username Protected wrote:

One quote came in.

Me: 15,000 hours total time, multiple type ratings, yearly Boeing school flying about 600-700 hours a year, would get yearly required MU-2 school, about 500 hours single pilot turboprop PIC.

Airplane: $175k hull value, flying 50-60 hours a year, no partners, hangared, etc.

Insurance. 3% of hull value plus $1,300 for Liability & medical = $6,550 per year.

Almost double the Duke with not that big a hull price difference, same number of seats, etc.

How much of your total turbine time is PIC? How old is your PIC turbine time?

Just getting a feel as a build a group of jet pilots.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 06 Jan 2020, 22:30

9.5k / 400k hull with 1500TT and 500ME and no turbine was my quote.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 06 Jan 2020, 22:34

Username Protected wrote:

9.5k / 400k hull with 1500TT and 500ME and no turbine was my quote.

That's about 2% hull value plus $1,500 as others have mentioned.

Lower than my quote when adjusted for hull value.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 06 Jan 2020, 22:39

Username Protected wrote:

One quote came in.

Me: 15,000 hours total time, multiple type ratings, yearly Boeing school flying about 600-700 hours a year, would get yearly required MU-2 school, about 500 hours single pilot turboprop PIC.

Airplane: $175k hull value, flying 50-60 hours a year, no partners, hangared, etc.

Insurance. 3% of hull value plus $1,300 for Liability & medical = $6,550 per year.

Almost double the Duke with not that big a hull price difference, same number of seats, etc.

Sure seems high for your experience level. Insurance just seems like a black art to me.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 06 Jan 2020, 22:54

Username Protected wrote:

Almost double the Duke with not that big a hull price difference, same number of seats, etc.

It might be bad luck on your timing. I keep hearing, and it has been discussed here, that rates are going up and sometimes quite a bit. Was the quote to add it to your existing policy or was it a new policy? I have heard 3rd hand that in the current environment new policies can be pricier than adding aircraft to an existing policy. I can't tell you why or give an example, just was told that by a friend.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 06 Jan 2020, 22:55

Username Protected wrote:

Actually our provider Chuck Walton in TN is not even an A&P, just an A. He’s been around for a minute...

When I had my come-to-Jesus at the FSDO they poured over our Mx records and only commented that I had failed to write the letter selecting out Mx Program per Jon’s note of 91.409f. Letter added, problem solved.

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What was this letter?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 06 Jan 2020, 23:27

Username Protected wrote:

Almost double the Duke with not that big a hull price difference, same number of seats, etc.

It might be bad luck on your timing. I keep hearing, and it has been discussed here, that rates are going up and sometimes quite a bit. Was the quote to add it to your existing policy or was it a new policy? I have heard 3rd hand that in the current environment new policies can be pricier than adding aircraft to an existing policy. I can't tell you why or give an example, just was told that by a friend.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 07 Jan 2020, 01:02

Username Protected wrote:

One quote came in.

Me: 15,000 hours total time, multiple type ratings, yearly Boeing school flying about 600-700 hours a year, would get yearly required MU-2 school, about 500 hours single pilot turboprop PIC.

Airplane: $175k hull value, flying 50-60 hours a year, no partners, hangared, etc.

Insurance. 3% of hull value plus $1,300 for Liability & medical = $6,550 per year.

Almost double the Duke with not that big a hull price difference, same number of seats, etc.

That's not that bad. First year in a given type they usually have a higher hull rate. While this insurance environment is a wildcard, often the 2nd and subsequent years it'll come down some.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 07 Jan 2020, 04:01

I was admittedly on the edge of my seat thinking about upgrading from the Aerostar to a lower end MU-2 until I read Ricks post on insurance rates. That rate is almost double my slightly higher insured Aerostar and a customers 414 that I'm the only one on the insurance. I have about the same qualifications at Rick give or take a few types...

Username Protected · **Posted:** 12 Jan 2020, 10:29

Username Protected wrote:

I was admittedly on the edge of my seat thinking about upgrading from the Aerostar to a lower end MU-2 until I read Ricks post on insurance rates. That rate is almost double my slightly higher insured Aerostar and a customers 414 that I'm the only one on the insurance. I have about the same qualifications at Rick give or take a few types...

1500 TT no Turbine, 9.5k, added time my existing policy I think I’m paying 8.5k for the first 9 months then I get to renew with 100hr M&M and turbine experience. I have owned both a mu2 and a duke. It’s not even a comparison in terms of the two aircraft. The mu2 is much more stable, no tail wag, flys like an airliner. The duke gets beat around in the bumps just like the Cessna 340.

I departed Reno this week and every airliner, and GA bird was bitching to ATC of continuous moderate, we got nothing more then light chop. That’s been my experience in the airplane so far everywhere we have flown the mu2. Flying the Duke IMC in the mountains was a much less pleasant experience. I suspect if you live in the flat lands it’s much less of an issue.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 Nov 2024, 22:12

Epilogue:

https://youtube.com/shorts/dBE97XIVVYk? ... UsPgT4PWKl

With several years gone by. IFR ticket completed in 2020, multi engine in 2021… a little poke to the naysayers in the room. Since the first post, 300+ hours in the 58P and another 300 in the cirrus. A lot to be thankful for. Just to stir the pot, after cruising 275+ knots at FL230 (tailwind) over the ground to Florida…

Anyone have an MU-2 Solitaire for sale?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 29 Apr 2025, 06:21

Very nice, Jonathan!

I have about 10 hours in a 58P - great airplane.

I made the move from Cessna P210R (pressurized single) to a Piper Cheyenne PA-31T1 one month ago. It has been awesome. 50 hours this first month! What a great ride. Still trying to come to terms with 80gph fuel burn. It's less on trips than when flying low for training.

Thought about the MU2, but found a PAY1 with good engines close by and made the move.

Good luck with the search.

WTB: MU2