BeechTalk - BT

Username Protected · **Posted:** 23 Dec 2019, 23:47

Username Protected wrote:

Ken you only owned that thing for a moment before you dumped it. You can't comment on costs of ownership over years. Please put some context on your platitudes as you try to polish that turd of a plane.

I owned it two years.

I know you despise 337s. That's too bad, they are great airplanes, especially the P337.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 Dec 2019, 05:08

Username Protected wrote:

Yea, but in comparison to the age of the earth it was only a moment ! :eek:

and in comparison to most owners of barons, twin comanches, twin cessnas...

I fine it amazing how many former cessna 337 owners want to say "my mission changed" or "I sold for personal reasons" or whatever. It's ok to just say "I made a mistake and dumped it before it sunk me". I'm not too proud to say that - heck I even had a White 4WD tractor. Thought it was a bargain at the time. Much the same thing.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 Dec 2019, 05:48

Username Protected wrote:

My experience was very different. My P337 required no more maintenance than any other airplane I've owned and I've owned 16. There was very little maintenance required throughout the year and the annual bill was quite reasonable, under $4k. I never chased a single pressurization leak and mine always made full pressurization. Mine was also a four person airplane, useful load with intercoolers and air conditioning was around 1,300 lb if I recall correctly.

Maybe you need to go back and look again at the W&B ?

The Riley I maintained and flew some, N80N was/is:
(real numbers from actual weighing):

3600 Empty,
4700 MTOW,
1100 useful,
880 full fuel
leaves just 220lbs payload !

No way a properly equipped P337 can carry 4 adults which is OVER 680 lbs., ...

Me thinks maybe you're confused with one the the 15 OTHER 337s you have owned !.

Don't get me wrong, I'm NOT bashing the P337 , it does indeed "tick alot of boxes", but it does it by UN-ticking a bunch of other boxes in the process . :doh:

PS: Just looked up N70S - it's not deiced, and does not have speed-brakes, so that's probably worth about 100lbs in useful, still a long way off 680.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 Dec 2019, 13:37

Username Protected wrote:

I fine it amazing how many former cessna 337 owners want to say "my mission changed" or "I sold for personal reasons" or whatever. It's ok to just say "I made a mistake and dumped it before it sunk me". I'm not too proud to say that - heck I even had a White 4WD tractor. Thought it was a bargain at the time. Much the same thing.

Jeff, I flew my 337G on 210 flights in the last two and half years. It never once left me AOG. My last annual was $3K. Sunday was the delivery flight to it's new owners and I proudly delivered it squawk free. I flew my wife, kids, friends and family all over the place in that plane with 100% confidence. Day/Night/Vfr/Ifr...no problem.

The only reason I sold mine is because I want an Aerostar...a rip snorting/fire breathing/gas guzzling/fastest piston twin Aerostar. I'm under no misapprehensions here and I know that I've got a snowball's chance in hell of ever getting 210 consecutive flights with 100% dispatch reliability in the Aerostar but I'm doing it anyway.

I've made a lot of bad decisions (I refuse to talk about my Land Rover Defender resto) over the years but I have ZERO regrets about my 337 ownership...I see a number of companies are using them to test electric motors. I'll have one if they ever get STC'd.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 Dec 2019, 13:49

Username Protected wrote:

Jeff, I flew my 337G on 210 flights in the last two and half years. It never once left me AOG. My last annual was $3K. Sunday was the delivery flight to it's new owners and I proudly delivered it squawk free. I flew my wife, kids, friends and family all over the place in that plane with 100% confidence. Day/Night/Vfr/Ifr...no problem.

The only reason I sold mine is because I want an Aerostar...a rip snorting/fire breathing/gas guzzling/fastest piston twin Aerostar. I'm under no misapprehensions here and I know that I've got a snowball's chance in hell of ever getting 210 consecutive flights with 100% dispatch reliability in the Aerostar but I'm doing it anyway.

I've made a lot of bad decisions (I refuse to talk about my Land Rover Defender resto) over the years but I have ZERO regrets about my 337 ownership...I see a number of companies are using them to test electric motors. I'll have one if they ever get STC'd.

A late model NA 337 is a very robust and relatively simple plane to maintain, I'm not surprised .

I have an Aerostar 600A, it too is NA, no turbos or pressurization and it's proving to be rock solid and I do not expect any maintenance problems.

In both cases, as soon as you load these planes up with a ton of systems then expect them to perform to jet standards in the flight levels, well it's a whole different ball game.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 Dec 2019, 14:44

Username Protected wrote:

I fine it amazing how many former cessna 337 owners want to say "my mission changed" or "I sold for personal reasons" or whatever. It's ok to just say "I made a mistake and dumped it before it sunk me". I'm not too proud to say that - heck I even had a White 4WD tractor. Thought it was a bargain at the time. Much the same thing.

I owned my two Barons and Twin Comanche for about one year each. The horror. They too must have been horrible mistakes since I owned the P337 twice as long!!!

I sold the P337 when my son decided he wanted to learn to fly. A P337 isn't the airplane to do that in. The 182 I went into after that was a much better choice.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 Dec 2019, 14:56

Username Protected wrote:

My experience was very different. My P337 required no more maintenance than any other airplane I've owned and I've owned 16. There was very little maintenance required throughout the year and the annual bill was quite reasonable, under $4k. I never chased a single pressurization leak and mine always made full pressurization. Mine was also a four person airplane, useful load with intercoolers and air conditioning was around 1,300 lb if I recall correctly.

Maybe you need to go back and look again at the W&B ?

The Riley I maintained and flew some, N80N was/is:
(real numbers from actual weighing):

3600 Empty,
4700 MTOW,
1100 useful,
880 full fuel
leaves just 220lbs payload !

No way a properly equipped P337 can carry 4 adults which is OVER 680 lbs., ...

Me thinks maybe you're confused with one the the 15 OTHER 337s you have owned !.

Don't get me wrong, I'm NOT bashing the P337 , it does indeed "tick alot of boxes", but it does it by UN-ticking a bunch of other boxes in the process . :doh:

PS: Just looked up N70S - it's not deiced, and does not have speed-brakes, so that's probably worth about 100lbs in useful, still a long way off 680.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 25 Dec 2019, 03:54

Username Protected wrote:

Maybe you need to go back and look again at the W&B ?

The Riley I maintained and flew some, N80N was/is:
(real numbers from actual weighing):

3600 Empty,
4700 MTOW,
1100 useful,
880 full fuel
leaves just 220lbs payload !

No way a properly equipped P337 can carry 4 adults which is OVER 680 lbs., ...
.

How did you manage the maximum landing weight of 4465?

C337P Skymaster