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Post subject: Re: SETP 340 Posted: 02 Nov 2019, 20:56 |
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Joined: 01/24/17 Posts: 13 Post Likes: +41
Aircraft: Piper PA32R300 Lance
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No data that I could find on FlightAware. Great concept, but without data on performance, hard to be too excited about something unique and experimental at $400K.
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Post subject: Re: SETP 340 Posted: 02 Nov 2019, 22:02 |
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Joined: 01/22/19 Posts: 887 Post Likes: +665 Location: KFXE
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Very similar to an Aerostar that had its engines removed, and replaced with a Garrett TPE331 up front. It was an R&D plane that never made it to certification.
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Post subject: Re: SETP 340 Posted: 06 Nov 2019, 14:57 |
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Joined: 11/15/17 Posts: 687 Post Likes: +350 Company: Cessna (retired)
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Looks too simple. How about this one:
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Post subject: Re: SETP 340 Posted: 06 Nov 2019, 15:26 |
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Joined: 08/01/11 Posts: 6777 Post Likes: +4524 Location: In between the opioid and marijuana epidemics
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If Cessna had more foresight than a monkey? This would have been a great concept.
Performance is not difficult to figure. Slightly more ho with turbine than the 620hp stock piston. One less prop to get outta’ da way.
Figure 10-20 knots faster than the piston.
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Post subject: Re: SETP 340 Posted: 06 Nov 2019, 17:26 |
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Joined: 10/06/16 Posts: 115 Post Likes: +183 Location: Tucson, AZ (winter) & Brunswick, ME (summer)
Aircraft: T210, Aerostar 702P
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Username Protected wrote: ...hard to be too excited about something unique and experimental at $400K... Well, it's more exciting than a SETP Baron conversion priced 50% higher ($600k) To me, the Experimental - Amateur Built airworthiness certificate is a very attractive feature of these conversions; it can't ever fly for hire, sure, but maintenance and avionics choices get much better. Honestly if they'd let me convert my 54-year-old airplane certificated under CAR-3 rules to A-EB category, I'd do it immediately.
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Post subject: Re: SETP 340 Posted: 06 Nov 2019, 18:35 |
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Joined: 08/04/08 Posts: 1818 Post Likes: +1404 Location: MYF, San Diego, CA
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Username Protected wrote: Honestly if they'd let me convert my 54-year-old airplane certificated under CAR-3 rules to A-EB category, I'd do it immediately. I'd seriously think about that. Changing the designation after certification doesn't remove safety. It is mostly a bureaucratic exercise that could save time and expense. The airplane advertised is very much an experimental. Removal of the engines required the wings be "beefed up." They've also been extended. I'd prefer such modifications of a high performance airplane to be conceived and performed by professionals under supervision of other professionals without a financial interest.
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Post subject: Re: SETP 340 Posted: 06 Nov 2019, 18:41 |
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Joined: 09/17/12 Posts: 136 Post Likes: +72 Location: Central TX
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Username Protected wrote: I had a customer try and buy that recently.
The underwriters replies to the RFQ were pretty amusing.
Tough sell right there. But looks cool. I think TJ nailed this. Insurance is hard enough to get on "garden variety" Experimentals---this is in a whole other league!
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Post subject: Re: SETP 340 Posted: 07 Nov 2019, 09:38 |
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Joined: 03/08/16 Posts: 152 Post Likes: +75 Location: KPVG
Aircraft: AA5B Tiger
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So any reason why this didn't take off as a "thing" back then? The article made it sound like it generated quite a bit of interest and would have been competitive against other airframes at the time. Is it because it was E-AB vs. certified?
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Post subject: Re: SETP 340 Posted: 07 Nov 2019, 12:45 |
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Joined: 02/09/09 Posts: 5597 Post Likes: +2557 Location: Owosso, MI (KRNP)
Aircraft: 1969 Bonanza V35A
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Username Protected wrote: If Cessna had more foresight than a monkey? This would have been a great concept. If Cessna would have been smart, they would have pulled the drawing and tooling out for the 441 and made it a big single... I could have been a heck of a competitor in the SETP market and 2/3 of the design work was already done...
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Post subject: Re: SETP 340 Posted: 07 Nov 2019, 13:05 |
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Joined: 07/21/08 Posts: 5469 Post Likes: +6186 Location: Decatur, TX (XA99)
Aircraft: 1979 Bonanza A36
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Username Protected wrote: If Cessna had more foresight than a monkey? This would have been a great concept. If Cessna would have been smart, they would have pulled the drawing and tooling out for the 441 and made it a big single... I could have been a heck of a competitor in the SETP market and 2/3 of the design work was already done... exactly. They picked the wrong airframe for this project. Even the 421 would have worked. That would have left plenty of room in the nose for baggage, as well as in the rear of the cabin.
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Post subject: Re: SETP 340 Posted: 07 Nov 2019, 19:12 |
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Joined: 07/11/15 Posts: 32 Post Likes: +17
Aircraft: 58P Harpoon
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Username Protected wrote: ...hard to be too excited about something unique and experimental at $400K... Well, it's more exciting than a SETP Baron conversion priced 50% higher ($600k) To me, the Experimental - Amateur Built airworthiness certificate is a very attractive feature of these conversions; it can't ever fly for hire, sure, but maintenance and avionics choices get much better. Honestly if they'd let me convert my 54-year-old airplane certificated under CAR-3 rules to A-EB category, I'd do it immediately.
Not gonna lie, that is an awesome machine at what seems to be a fair price! But, since we are comparing my plane (The overpriced 58P!) lets look at it! Mine is currently flying 100 hours a year, very well maintained, (just got back from a SW US tour an hour ago). Insurance is approved and easy to get with similar airframes out there($8k a year for $600k and $1m CSL). Not to mention there is $100k worth of avionics upgrades that this 340 needs.
But, I love it! For $400k it's not bad, if it is truly E-AB. When they did the 58's there was all kinds of weird stuff to get it through, including adding windows to the floor! The aerostar was E-Exhibition which is fairly restrictive. But the one thing I wish my plane had was more room, and a small aisle! But, the 340 is a heavier plane with the same engine. Not sure how that would affect performance. I think a 421 with a 331-10 would be almost the perfect airplane! If I didn't already have a small version of this, I would be seriously looking at this for a new project!
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Post subject: Re: SETP 340 Posted: 09 Nov 2019, 12:37 |
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Joined: 12/13/13 Posts: 23 Post Likes: +8 Location: Wichita, KS
Aircraft: A36 Bonanza
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Username Protected wrote: Looks too simple. How about this one: I heard the rumors of "Co-Ax the Barbarian" when I worked at Cessna, finally get to see a pic of it. Thanks Bill! Are those twin Allison 250's in the nose driving the coaxial prop shafts?
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