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No data that I could find on FlightAware. Great concept, but without data on performance, hard to be too excited about something unique and experimental at $400K.


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Very similar to an Aerostar that had its engines removed, and replaced with a Garrett TPE331 up front. It was an R&D plane that never made it to certification.

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If it was done via STC and left a certified airframe and done on a 414A/421C, it would be one heck of an airplane!


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Looks too simple. How about this one:


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If Cessna had more foresight than a monkey? This would have been a great concept.

Performance is not difficult to figure. Slightly more ho with turbine than the 620hp stock piston. One less prop to get outta’ da way.

Figure 10-20 knots faster than the piston.

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...hard to be too excited about something unique and experimental at $400K...


Well, it's more exciting than a SETP Baron conversion priced 50% higher ($600k)

To me, the Experimental - Amateur Built airworthiness certificate is a very attractive feature of these conversions; it can't ever fly for hire, sure, but maintenance and avionics choices get much better. Honestly if they'd let me convert my 54-year-old airplane certificated under CAR-3 rules to A-EB category, I'd do it immediately.


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I had a customer try and buy that recently.

The underwriters replies to the RFQ were pretty amusing.

Tough sell right there.
But looks cool.

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Honestly if they'd let me convert my 54-year-old airplane certificated under CAR-3 rules to A-EB category, I'd do it immediately.


I'd seriously think about that. Changing the designation after certification doesn't remove safety. It is mostly a bureaucratic exercise that could save time and expense.

The airplane advertised is very much an experimental. Removal of the engines required the wings be "beefed up." They've also been extended. I'd prefer such modifications of a high performance airplane to be conceived and performed by professionals under supervision of other professionals without a financial interest.


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I had a customer try and buy that recently.

The underwriters replies to the RFQ were pretty amusing.

Tough sell right there.
But looks cool.


I think TJ nailed this. Insurance is hard enough to get on "garden variety" Experimentals---this is in a whole other league!


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So any reason why this didn't take off as a "thing" back then? The article made it sound like it generated quite a bit of interest and would have been competitive against other airframes at the time. Is it because it was E-AB vs. certified?


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If Cessna had more foresight than a monkey? This would have been a great concept.


If Cessna would have been smart, they would have pulled the drawing and tooling out for the 441 and made it a big single... I could have been a heck of a competitor in the SETP market and 2/3 of the design work was already done...


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If Cessna had more foresight than a monkey? This would have been a great concept.


If Cessna would have been smart, they would have pulled the drawing and tooling out for the 441 and made it a big single... I could have been a heck of a competitor in the SETP market and 2/3 of the design work was already done...

exactly. They picked the wrong airframe for this project. Even the 421 would have worked. That would have left plenty of room in the nose for baggage, as well as in the rear of the cabin.
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Big companies have a really hard time keeping up with Market changes. Cessna got killed in the transition from Twin pistons to Single Turbo Props. They could have easily made the transition.

Most large companies that own a market can't take the risk of losing the current sales for the next thing. So they keep with the old. Then some other company takes the next step and takes off.

I remember for Biz school seeing a chart of data storage platforms and who owned the market share of each tech. Not one company maintained the market share as it went from one tech to another. In fact they could not even catch up on the next change. These were all big companies.

Too bad to see a legacy company like Cessna just sit back and get punched. They are lost and letting all these other companies take the markets they once owned.

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...hard to be too excited about something unique and experimental at $400K...


Well, it's more exciting than a SETP Baron conversion priced 50% higher ($600k)

To me, the Experimental - Amateur Built airworthiness certificate is a very attractive feature of these conversions; it can't ever fly for hire, sure, but maintenance and avionics choices get much better. Honestly if they'd let me convert my 54-year-old airplane certificated under CAR-3 rules to A-EB category, I'd do it immediately.



Not gonna lie, that is an awesome machine at what seems to be a fair price! But, since we are comparing my plane (The overpriced 58P!) lets look at it! Mine is currently flying 100 hours a year, very well maintained, (just got back from a SW US tour an hour ago). Insurance is approved and easy to get with similar airframes out there($8k a year for $600k and $1m CSL). Not to mention there is $100k worth of avionics upgrades that this 340 needs.

But, I love it! For $400k it's not bad, if it is truly E-AB. When they did the 58's there was all kinds of weird stuff to get it through, including adding windows to the floor! The aerostar was E-Exhibition which is fairly restrictive. But the one thing I wish my plane had was more room, and a small aisle! But, the 340 is a heavier plane with the same engine. Not sure how that would affect performance. I think a 421 with a 331-10 would be almost the perfect airplane! If I didn't already have a small version of this, I would be seriously looking at this for a new project!

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Looks too simple. How about this one:


I heard the rumors of "Co-Ax the Barbarian" when I worked at Cessna, finally get to see a pic of it. Thanks Bill! Are those twin Allison 250's in the nose driving the coaxial prop shafts?


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