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Post subject: Re: Pilatus PC-12 October Announcement????  Posted: 16 Oct 2019, 22:19 |
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So whats the next big thing? Anyone going to NBAA? Username Protected wrote: https://www.pilatus-aircraft.com/en/news-events/media-release/pilatus-delivers-50th-pc-24-and-unveils-the-next-big-thing-at-nbaa-bace-2019?fbclid=IwAR32c8kLlet51-cM0wPiotIT_s-xk3oL8aUW8fWhuflzldqa2f6xC4-t8EE
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Post subject: Re: Pilatus PC-12 October Announcement???? Posted: 17 Oct 2019, 23:08 |
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Username Protected wrote: So whats the next big thing?
Anyone going to NBAA?
I’ll be there Wednesday and Thursday.
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Post subject: Re: Pilatus PC-12 October Announcement???? Posted: 18 Oct 2019, 07:14 |
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Username Protected wrote: They better bump up the cabin first. Isn’t it currently over 10k feet at fl300? 8500 Nobody flies at FL300. FL280 is about the max I use. Performance really drops above 280 so unless you got a great tail wind to take advantage of........
My former employer spent a lot of money on making their -12's RVSM approved. No idea why, in the 5 years I was there I went above FL280 once, and it was just to say I did it. The airplane was the happiest at 250/260.
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Post subject: Re: Pilatus PC-12 October Announcement???? Posted: 18 Oct 2019, 07:47 |
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Username Protected wrote:
My former employer spent a lot of money on making their -12's RVSM approved. No idea why, in the 5 years I was there I went above FL280 once, and it was just to say I did it. The airplane was the happiest at 250/260.
Is this typical for turboprops? TBM and the like? RVSM nice but not really necessary?
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Post subject: Re: Pilatus PC-12 October Announcement???? Posted: 18 Oct 2019, 08:16 |
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Username Protected wrote:
My former employer spent a lot of money on making their -12's RVSM approved. No idea why, in the 5 years I was there I went above FL280 once, and it was just to say I did it. The airplane was the happiest at 250/260.
Is this typical for turboprops? TBM and the like? RVSM nice but not really necessary?
For the Meridian, the higher the better, except for cabin altitude. Gets real thin up there.
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Post subject: Re: Pilatus PC-12 October Announcement???? Posted: 18 Oct 2019, 08:17 |
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Username Protected wrote:
My former employer spent a lot of money on making their -12's RVSM approved. No idea why, in the 5 years I was there I went above FL280 once, and it was just to say I did it. The airplane was the happiest at 250/260.
Is this typical for turboprops? TBM and the like? RVSM nice but not really necessary?
TBM 850 will go to 31 with no penalty it seems.
ADSB 1090 installed in a RVSM qualified airframe is all that’s needed in the US to be RVSM now. So TBM no longer needs a RVSM program if flying over US.
Pilot takes RVSM course is all that’s needed.
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Post subject: Re: Pilatus PC-12 October Announcement???? Posted: 18 Oct 2019, 08:30 |
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Username Protected wrote:
My former employer spent a lot of money on making their -12's RVSM approved. No idea why, in the 5 years I was there I went above FL280 once, and it was just to say I did it. The airplane was the happiest at 250/260.
Is this typical for turboprops? TBM and the like? RVSM nice but not really necessary?
I fly at 30-31 thousand feet 90+ per cent of the time. It's one of the best upgrades I've made. I fly a lot of longer trips and the fuel savings vs. time work out well. More importantly in thunderstorm season I have a lot better view of the weather. And a lot of times being above 28 means I'm not in the tops of clouds as I transit weather systems. When you go in the clouds the IS has to come on and I have to slow to 270 knots. There is virtually no traffic between 28-31 either. Most Tprops are below me and the airliners and jets are above. Another benefit is wind flexibility.
I didn't have RVSM when I bought my plane because Garmin hadn't STC'd the dual G600 install that the previous owner put in. When it became available I was excited as I'd spent a lot of time at 27 or 28, in the clag, slow with the IS on. Can't imagine going back.
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Post subject: Re: Pilatus PC-12 October Announcement???? Posted: 18 Oct 2019, 12:05 |
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Tony, what is your cabin altitude at FL 300?
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Post subject: Re: Pilatus PC-12 October Announcement???? Posted: 18 Oct 2019, 12:07 |
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Username Protected wrote: ADSB 1090 installed in a RVSM qualified airframe is all that’s needed in the US to be RVSM now. So TBM no longer needs a RVSM program if flying over US.
Pilot takes RVSM course is all that’s needed. Do you have a source to support this statement?
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Post subject: Re: Pilatus PC-12 October Announcement???? Posted: 18 Oct 2019, 12:28 |
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With our tbm 850 also flying primarily at 30/31. Last trip an extra 1k would have gotten above clouds. Cabin with the extra 500ft setting probably close to 10.5 cabin. So it is high.
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Post subject: Re: Pilatus PC-12 October Announcement???? Posted: 18 Oct 2019, 12:36 |
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Username Protected wrote:
My former employer spent a lot of money on making their -12's RVSM approved. No idea why, in the 5 years I was there I went above FL280 once, and it was just to say I did it. The airplane was the happiest at 250/260.
This is pretty typical for what I see when flight planning: Attachment: Screen Shot 2019-10-18 at 11.33.16 AM.png No time penalty (at least eastbound) and measurable fuel savings at FL310. Plus more ride reports, above more clouds and better glide range.
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Post subject: Re: Pilatus PC-12 October Announcement???? Posted: 18 Oct 2019, 13:46 |
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Mine is 9500 @ FL310. You get a lot more range as your fuel burn drops to 55-56 gph. Username Protected wrote: Tony, what is your cabin altitude at FL 300?
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