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Pressurization adds almost no work load but dramatically improves the experience.

^^^^^ This!

Pressurization radically changes the experience.

When it comes time for you to go turboprop, having pressurized experience will help.

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Pressurization adds almost no work load but dramatically improves the experience.

^^^^^ This!

Pressurization radically changes the experience.

When it comes time for you to go turboprop, having pressurized experience will help.

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How do you guys like the 58P?
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I just read that 55 barons are not fiki.

Ice protection equipment, which may be installed on this airplane has not been demonstrated to meet requirements for flight into known icing conditions.

https://www.aopa.org/go-fly/aircraft-an ... raft-baron


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Ray - if you want to fly more than 6 months of the year, deice capability is a must, especially on those Nova Scotia runs. Not having deice means you park the airplane from Hallowe'en through Easter.

I regularly fly from eastern Ontario to New Brunswick... in the summer. I don't have FIKI, thus have seen so many opportunities to make that trip tossed in the can because of icing.

Even with deice capability, there is enough truly nasty winter weather that you'll want to be prepared to cancel trips. Where you store the airplane in Nova Scotia while a crippling blizzard blows through might also be an eye-opener in terms of cost and availability.

The other thing to remember is that fuel down east is painfully expensive. I just paid $2.43/litre in New Brunswick - that's CAD$9.17/US gallon or about US$6.45/US Gallon. It hurts when you're taking on several hundred litres at a time!


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I just read that 55 barons are not fiki.

Ice protection equipment, which may be installed on this airplane has not been demonstrated to meet requirements for flight into known icing conditions.

https://www.aopa.org/go-fly/aircraft-an ... raft-baron



With boots no.

With TKS, yes. But not many around.

https://www.cav-systems.com/retrofit/be ... aron-fiki/

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Sounds like 55 Baron is out.

Any of the above easy to find in FIKI? 421 probably hey


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Why do you need fiki as opposed to deice equipment?

Booted twins are quite capable


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Personally, I don't think FIKI and Piston should be used in the same sentence.

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Why do you need fiki as opposed to deice equipment?

Booted twins are quite capable


Well, what Mark said sounds like. Less waiting around for no icing anywhere en route.

And why not really? Heavy duty icing area, why not go for it


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Navajo or Barron

What sort of Navajo do you get for $150k?


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Well, what Mark said sounds like. Less waiting around for no icing anywhere en route.

And why not really? Heavy duty icing area, why not go for it


The post '85/under $150 requirement is close to a perfectly square circle to start. Add FIKI and forget it.

Planes were flying in ice LONG before "FIKI" was invented. That's a regulatory creation of the late 70's. A twin with boots and alcohol props/windshields is a reasonable airplane to purposely fly into ice. Just because you know you are flying into ice doesn't mean you need FIKI. (At least in the US)

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Sounds like 55 Baron is out.

Any of the above easy to find in FIKI? 421 probably hey


What about a Seneca II? IIRC they can be made FIKI complaint. It's a decent traveling plane. Not amazing, but decent. They carry ice reasonably well and the large back door is a plus.

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I'd want turbine, too. And there are some options starting in the $200-250K range.

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Some examples?


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An E or F Aztec will do the job as well, plus they will carry a ton of ice...
My Baron B58 is de-ice and quite capable.....
I fly the Great Lakes most of the year.........

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I think a bit more about the mission is needed here.
Weekly? If so than this is 250-300 hours per year plus any other flying.
How critical is the mission? How many scrapped flights due to maintenance is OK?
Are you hands on maintenance or drop it off kind of guy?
If your going to fly 300+ hours all weather per year its possible an older Jet Prop or early Meridian may actually put you money ahead in the long run even with finance charges.
Your mission fits the P46T well IMO.


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