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Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die Posted: 13 Jun 2019, 15:19 |
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Edit: Just got thru watching the whole video. The guy was bummed out (so was I) and probably just needs a couple days rest to mentally recoup. I just don’t see the power plant being an issue with test flying. Heck, buy an old airplane and put the engine in it and start putting some hours on the “drivetrain”[/quote]
I strongly suggested this to Peter a couple of years ago. Get the engine running and mount it on a Velocity XL while you work on the air frame. Fly that to Osh as a proof of concept on speed/fuel burn. I don't think he was interested in an incremental approach.
I agree he needs to take a couple days off and go to the beach. Come back and get back to it. Nobody gets it right the first time.
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Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die Posted: 16 Jun 2019, 10:50 |
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Username Protected wrote: More bad news from Peter in the latest video (after a high-speed taxi test); jump to 12:50 and watch the rest. https://youtu.be/ZUcmDFoZIxMAt 2:45 I see a potential serious problem with the clevis in the aileron cable running very close to both the vertical carbon fiber structure and an aluminum tube. I don't know what that tube is carrying but I suspect that a leak might be problematic. In addition the discussion about the pulleys on the floor moving around under load strongly suggests that there was insufficient understanding of the flexing characteristics of the entire structure, something that would concern me as a pilot far more than the single channel ECU.
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Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die Posted: 16 Jun 2019, 18:06 |
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Why didn't he just start with a Velocity and pressurize it and add a diesel. ?
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Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die Posted: 16 Jun 2019, 18:37 |
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Username Protected wrote: Why didn't he just start with a Velocity and pressurize it and add a diesel? He wouldn't have gotten nearly as many deposits for that.
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Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die Posted: 17 Jun 2019, 00:15 |
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This whole thing started because he went to Velocity and asked them for a pressurized version and they refused.
I think he then figured if he had to do the whole thing himself, no sense using their out of square molds and older techniques. Might as well improve on the design completely.
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Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die Posted: 17 Jun 2019, 22:10 |
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Username Protected wrote: Why didn't he just start with a Velocity and pressurize it and add a diesel. ? I've said it before - he does not need a plane at all. If he can make a viable aviation diesel out of that Audi engine, he will get rich selling them alone. If not, the project is dead either way.
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Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die Posted: 25 Jun 2019, 15:37 |
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Don't know about the Eclipse 500, but the Starship didn't meet its design objectives because the FAA made them overdesign it as the FAA didn't understand composites at the time.
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Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die Posted: 25 Jun 2019, 15:41 |
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Username Protected wrote: I don't think his numbers are that ridiculous. Remember he's giving TAS at 25,000 feet and does say IF their engine can produce the rated power at that altitude. The SR22TN does something like 220 KTAS at 25,000 feet, he's claiming 230.
There's no magic in the aerodynamic design, it's all about whether he can meet the engine performance and fuel consumption goals. I think that's unlikely, but I applaud the effort.
Nathan 230ktas on 7gph - the max projected speed at FL250 is 300ktas which will be a bigger feat. The plan for doing this is to use a compound turbo (explained in some of the videos) to create enough boost to maintain HP at altitude. This seems like a reasonable approach but begs the question - why don't other manufacturers already do this? That said, even if it only goes 250ktas, that would still be pretty sweet.
If I remember, the B-17 engines had turbo-compound super chargers known as Power Recovery Turbines. They had so much trouble with them that PRT came to be known as Parts Recovery Turbines.
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Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die Posted: 25 Jun 2019, 15:53 |
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B-17’s never had them, but Constellations, DC-7’s and P2’s did. Actually pretty simple fluid coupling tied directly to the crankshaft, worked well. Those turbos were last in the combustion line, so anything coughed up by the motor ended taking them out.
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