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Way to go James! Jet Elite...

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Congrats! And wow the idle fuel flows are making me realize I’m not quite ready for a jet!


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I should be finished with my MU-2 SFAR training in the morning too! Instructor is absolutely a nice character and knows pretty much everything about the MU-2. The MU-2 is a lot of fun to fly and is a delightful challenge. It's a visceral airplane to fly and for my present mission, it's speedy enough and the fuel burn is very pleasant. The airplane doesn't have any bad habits and goes exactly where you point it. MU-2 is industrial grade quality. If you like well built machines, anyone can appreciate a Mitsubishi (airplane, car not so much!) Citation is easier to fly and definitely requires different skills and awareness to operate safely.

HOT section is done on the Jame's 501's right side. Fortunately, no hangar neighbors were around tonight while running it up at full power to check power and temps this evening. I'm taking to service center to get the air conditioner tuned up and our MU-2/501SP swap should be completed!


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Congrats! And wow the idle fuel flows are making me realize I’m not quite ready for a jet!

1400 lbs/hr off scale on the left, 155 lbs/hr on the right?

Hmm.

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Congrats! And wow the idle fuel flows are making me realize I’m not quite ready for a jet!

1400 lbs/hr off scale on the left, 155 lbs/hr on the right?

Hmm.

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James did his training in serial number 1, amazing it's still alive, obviously it has a broken fuel flow at idle!

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I should be finished with my MU-2 SFAR training in the morning too!

Recommend you get some sim time soon after you complete your in airplane initial. Given the proximity of Simcom in Orlando, there's no excuse not to get some sim time and practice those things that are not safe to do in the actual airplane. In my view, you aren't truly ready for emergencies until after you have had some sim time.

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It has a very good combination of speed, reliability, efficiency, and capability.

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The airplane doesn't have any bad habits


This is a statement I would expect to hear about a Cherokee 6. Give me an example of a turboprop that does have a bad habit? Just trying to put it in context. The MU2 doesn’t have bad habits like the....?

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Give me an example of a turboprop that does have a bad habit?

What qualifies as a bad habit is subjective, of course.

An example might be TBM torque roll when slow.

Or King Air power lever roll back on takeoff (was some thread about that recently).

The MU2 isn't perfect, it has its share of faults, too, but it does what Tarver says, it goes where it is pointed. Be sure you point it the right direction.

One bad habit I'd nominate for the MU2 is lack of landing finesse for the short body versions. Wheels too far back, hard to set it down nicely. There is absolutely no ambiguity in the transition between air and ground in an MU2, in either direction. Navy pilots will feel right at home.

Every type has its quirks. You learn what they are and then they are no problem.

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Give me an example of a turboprop that does have a bad habit?

What qualifies as a bad habit is subjective, of course.

An example might be TBM torque roll when slow.

Or King Air power lever roll back on takeoff (was some thread about that recently).

The MU2 isn't perfect, it has its share of faults, too, but it does what Tarver says, it goes where it is pointed. Be sure you point it the right direction.

One bad habit I'd nominate for the MU2 is lack of landing finesse for the short body versions. Wheels too far back, hard to set it down nicely. There is absolutely no ambiguity in the transition between air and ground in an MU2, in either direction. Navy pilots will feel right at home.

Every type has its quirks. You learn what they are and then they are no problem.

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My way of thinking is that a bad habit is rooted in variability. Example...a dog, who for no apparent reason bites, has a bad habit. Vs “it’s a well behaved dog just don’t try and take it’s food away.”

Airplanes have an operating envelope. Know what it is and stay within it.
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My way of thinking is that a bad habit is rooted in variability.

Perhaps, I'd like to think it is more the plane does the unexpected, even if that is consistent, because the plane is different than "normal".

"Habit" implies consistency.

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My way of thinking is that a bad habit is rooted in variability.

Perhaps, I'd like to think it is more the plane does the unexpected, even if that is consistent, because the plane is different than "normal".

"Habit" implies consistency.

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As a consultant I used to tell clients the only thing in life that is consistent is change (ie variability).

Net net I think the statement “it has no bad habits” is hyperbole. Most planes in this class do exactly what you expect them to do per their TC. That’s why they get a TC. If you try some stuff outside the envelope you might get bit. Not an insight.
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the range and speed. hard to beat SP. Love Proline but agree re Garmin. Wondered what the market was pricewise.

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SFAR finished up yesterday. I am DEFINITELY going to SimCom to practice emergencies. I also am now a religious checklist user which I have never been before. There are too many buttons and levers to forget on a turboprop vs a jet. This experience has made me a better, more well rounded pilot. I picked up a buddy's 501SP after dropping off Jame's plane so I have a 501 sitting in my hangar to "dry lease" in exchange for hangar rent. Perhaps the Mits and Citation mated last night?


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Give me an example of a turboprop that does have a bad habit?

What qualifies as a bad habit is subjective, of course.

An example might be TBM torque roll when slow.

Or King Air power lever roll back on takeoff (was some thread about that recently).

The MU2 isn't perfect, it has its share of faults, too, but it does what Tarver says, it goes where it is pointed. Be sure you point it the right direction.

One bad habit I'd nominate for the MU2 is lack of landing finesse for the short body versions. Wheels too far back, hard to set it down nicely. There is absolutely no ambiguity in the transition between air and ground in an MU2, in either direction. Navy pilots will feel right at home.

Every type has its quirks. You learn what they are and then they are no problem.

Mike C.



So Mike - how does the longbody MU-2 do in that regard? I know you give up a little speed (and gain some nice room if you need it) - but I have heard they handle more nicely in the TO / LDG process?

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