I saw my first Cirrus Jet. Very sweet looking airplane. The two things I noticed are that the V-Tail is very tall / large. I don't think I appreciated that from pictures. Second the cabin appears very large from the outside compared to a Bonanza. I didn't have time to chat with the owner.

They look like characters from children’s books. “Sally Cirrus and her pal Jimmy Jet.”

It has to be excessively large due to short moment, and the natural lack of stability a V tail has. Even with the large surfaces, they had to add pretty substantial ventral fins and *two* yaw dampers, so the large size wasn't enough by itself to work.

There's no way the tail configuration on this plane is less drag than a conventional tail.

Mike C.

Maybe that wasn't the primary consideration.
BWTHDIK?

George

Scale vs a Saratoga....and it fits in a T Hangar!

Yeah, they were shooting for an owner-flown pressurized airplane that happens to have a turbofan.

The cabin and entry are very comfortable. I found it far more comfortable after an hour of flying than the PA46, hands-down. I know the PA46 has its fans, but it doesn't fit me at all. The M2 as well, for that matter.

It is supposed to easily fit in many hangars.

Not much of a "fun" airplane for burger runs. It is a going-somewhere airplane. I think it would be best in a shared ownership to get the utilization up.

On paper, the Cirrus Jet looks like a game changer that will sell like the Merdian and TBM.

Will be interesting to see how it performs in the field. I hope well. I also hope the price does not spike once the demand grows.

Glad to see Cirrus trying to push the envelope again. SR 20/22 was an amazing feet.

KJ

What part of the game did it change?

I can't find anything an SF-50 does better than a TBM. The TBM is faster, longer range, uses shorter runways, burns less fuel, and requires less training.

It satisfies "I want a jet for ego reasons", but it falls short on "I want a jet to go faster, higher, further".

If I traded in my 45 year old MU2 for an SF-50, there is literally not a single new capability I would get, and I lost payload, range, and runway capability in the exchange.

You aren't going to see droves of current turboprop and jet owners getting one. There's nothing the SF-50 does for them. Brand loyal piston drivers will be almost the entire market for it.

Mike C.

Then it’s fixing to be quite successful. Since I know you’ll find it, what is cirrus’ % of sales for new piston singles? Lion’s share?

What part of the game did it change?

I can't find anything an SF-50 does better than a TBM. The TBM is faster, longer range, uses shorter runways, burns less fuel, and requires less training.

It satisfies "I want a jet for ego reasons", but it falls short on "I want a jet to go faster, higher, further".

If I traded in my 45 year old MU2 for an SF-50, there is literally not a single new capability I would get, and I lost payload, range, and runway capability in the exchange.

You aren't going to see droves of current turboprop and jet owners getting one. There's nothing the SF-50 does for them. Brand loyal piston drivers will be almost the entire market for it.

Mike C.

A bad treatment for lack of propulsion redundancy.

The first time the chute gets pulled on an SF-50 will be VERY interesting. I don't think it will be like the SR series at all, way more energy involved.


Eclipse did it successfully more than a decade ago.

Mike C.

A bad treatment for lack of propulsion redundancy.

The first time the chute gets pulled on an SF-50 will be VERY interesting. I don't think it will be like the SR series at all, way more energy involved.


Eclipse did it successfully more than a decade ago.

Mike C.

It’s Chinese. End of story.

Was part of the training program if you didn't have it, trivial to get.

Cirrus has demonized getting an ME rating as some sort of barrier. That's BS. If a pilot can't get an ME rating, then they sure as heck can't get a type rating for an SF-50 (which, BTW, takes way longer to get than for twin jets from reports).

Mike C.

The cabin on cirrus is better than TBM. By a lot. TBM was narrower than a pa46. Felt like a fast piston plane.

Cabin is a big deal to a lot of folks given how few actually meet the FAA designation of a normal sized human anymore.