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Post subject: Re: So you want to replace your PC-12 with a ____?  Posted: 19 Feb 2019, 13:39 |
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Username Protected wrote: Short of giving you the history of Beechcraft and it's owners, including Raytheon... and the bankruptcy that killed the Premier... and then the purchase by Textron who already had a jet brand... we'll just suffice it to say that I understand aircraft values better than most and I understand how confusing all of this is for someone who doesn't deal with it every day. I deal with it every day too which is why I find amazing we see things so differently. For example, your thread title should be "PC12/45 trade for a new M2". That's "specific" and "truthful". Instead, you need to disguise your point as "replace PC12 with "rather small jet". Can't you just be honest? The aircraft market isn't rocket science. It's fun to track. You're not telling everyone here anything they don't already know. Good airplanes hold their value.... bad airplanes don't. Just like every other product in the world.
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Post subject: Re: So you want to replace your PC-12 with a ____? Posted: 19 Feb 2019, 13:41 |
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Username Protected wrote: What's the point of this thread? The point of this thread is that a guy sold his big ol Pilatus and replaced it with a small jet and why. I figured you, off all people would appreciate this intriguing subject. It is, at least on the surface, very odd that someone would buy an airplane that is more expensive, smaller, has less range, fewer seats and isn't near as cool as the Pilatus.
He sold a 20 year old PC12/45 for a new M2. I'd do that too. If he traded his 2018 PC12NG for a new M2 it would be a more interesting topic.
I don't have a PC12/45. I've never even been in one.
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Post subject: Re: So you want to replace your PC-12 with a ____? Posted: 19 Feb 2019, 14:19 |
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Username Protected wrote: He sold a 20 year old PC12/45 for a new M2. I'd do that too. If he traded his 2018 PC12NG for a new M2 it would be a more interesting topic.
I don't have a PC12/45. I've never even been in one. You do miss the irony that a new PC-12NG and a new M2 are the same price don't you.
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Post subject: Re: So you want to replace your PC-12 with a ____? Posted: 19 Feb 2019, 14:22 |
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Username Protected wrote: Short of giving you the history of Beechcraft and it's owners, including Raytheon... and the bankruptcy that killed the Premier... and then the purchase by Textron who already had a jet brand... we'll just suffice it to say that I understand aircraft values better than most and I understand how confusing all of this is for someone who doesn't deal with it every day. I deal with it every day too which is why I find amazing we see things so differently. For example, your thread title should be "PC12/45 trade for a new M2". That's "specific" and "truthful". Instead, you need to disguise your point as "replace PC12 with "rather small jet". Can't you just be honest? The aircraft market isn't rocket science. It's fun to track. You're not telling everyone here anything they don't already know. Good airplanes hold their value.... bad airplanes don't. Just like every other product in the world.
He didn't buy a Premier and save millions because he wants an airplane with a G3000
Nothing dishonest about my post, I wrote it that way to be intriguing. I like it when people read my post, curiosity is a motivator. It's fun to wonder "what did he trade it for?"
Speaking of dishonest... you DO NOT deal with the aircraft market every day. Looking at Controller and pontificating on Beechtalk doesn't count. You don't know what I do... just like I don't know your business. Selling your own airplane doesn't make you a professional. Sorry.
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Post subject: Re: So you want to replace your PC-12 with a ____? Posted: 19 Feb 2019, 14:24 |
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Username Protected wrote: You do miss the irony that a new PC-12NG and a new M2 are the same price don't you. Your guy didn't trade a new PC12NG for a new M2. That's my whole point. He traded a 20 year old PC12/45 for a new M2. Just be real.
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Post subject: Re: So you want to replace your PC-12 with a ____? Posted: 19 Feb 2019, 14:29 |
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Username Protected wrote: You do miss the irony that a new PC-12NG and a new M2 are the same price don't you. Your guy didn't trade a new PC12NG for a new M2. That's my whole point. He traded a 20 year old PC12/45 for a new M2. Just be real.
I am. You continue to muddy up the water. He purchased am M2 for the same amount of money that it would take to buy a Pilatus of the same year, but that isn't the point... lot's of people buy new M2's instead on new PC-12's and vice versa. You assume that this aircraft or that aircraft isn't viable because you have the misguided impression that they do not sell. Again, looking at Controller will confuse the heck out of you because many of the airplanes, in some cases most of them, are never advertised on Controller.
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Post subject: Re: So you want to replace your PC-12 with a ____? Posted: 19 Feb 2019, 14:34 |
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Username Protected wrote: Speaking of dishonest... you DO NOT deal with the aircraft market every day. Looking at Controller and pontificating on Beechtalk doesn't count. You don't know what I do... just like I don't know your business. Selling your own airplane doesn't make you a professional. Sorry. Ha.... remember when your excuse to me was "you're not a pro pilot". Now I am so you have to try a different angle. Chip you really shouldn't start a pissing contest with people that could be potential customers. It's bad business. I've never understood why you're so confrontational. There are other aviation industry guys on BT that can discuss the market without the insults.
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Post subject: Re: So you want to replace your PC-12 with a ____? Posted: 19 Feb 2019, 15:03 |
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Username Protected wrote: Speaking of dishonest... you DO NOT deal with the aircraft market every day. Looking at Controller and pontificating on Beechtalk doesn't count. You don't know what I do... just like I don't know your business. Selling your own airplane doesn't make you a professional. Sorry. Ha.... remember when your excuse to me was "you're not a pro pilot". Now I am so you have to try a different angle. Chip you really shouldn't start a pissing contest with people that could be potential customers. It's bad business. I've never understood why you're so confrontational. There are other aviation industry guys on BT that can discuss the market without the insults.
Arnie is right. Enough. I think we all know who is confrontational on here. The only thing I am guilty off is letting you suck me in. BTW you are not a potential client, potential friend yes, I think you're actually a nice guy apart from Beechtalk, but you would never trust me to work on your behalf or know more than you and that's ok.
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Post subject: Re: So you want to replace your PC-12 with a ____? Posted: 19 Feb 2019, 16:28 |
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Username Protected wrote: The only thing I am guilty off is letting you suck me in. You started the thread.
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Post subject: Re: So you want to replace your PC-12 with a ____? Posted: 19 Feb 2019, 17:06 |
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I wish the M2 had more range
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Post subject: Re: So you want to replace your PC-12 with a ____? Posted: 19 Feb 2019, 17:25 |
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Username Protected wrote: I wish the M2 had more range Me too. If a person slows it down for range, rather than HSC, what speed and fuel burn would they have?
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Post subject: Re: So you want to replace your PC-12 with a ____? Posted: 19 Feb 2019, 17:26 |
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Username Protected wrote: I wish the M2 had more range Me too! Raisbeck has plans for extra fuel and a gross weight increase for the 525 series, I hope they take the project off the back burner and move forward with it.
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Post subject: Re: So you want to replace your PC-12 with a ____? Posted: 19 Feb 2019, 17:58 |
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Username Protected wrote: I wish the M2 had more range M2 literature says 1550NM. That's legit. Phenom 100E is only 1100NM according to literature. I just wish M2 could go to FL450. If it did it would satisfy my west bound needs.
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Post subject: Re: So you want to replace your PC-12 with a ____? Posted: 20 Feb 2019, 04:55 |
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Username Protected wrote: If a person slows it down for range, rather than HSC, what speed and fuel burn would they have? I addition to above you need to consider weight, temperature and altitude. Example for 9000 lbs at ISA +10 FL410 MCT 382kts 650lbs - 57.7 nm/100lbs zero wind. LRC 336kts 529kbs - 62.9 nm/100lbs zero wind. Andrew.
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