No one has mentioned hondajets. $5MM twin 6 seater jet. Bet you can get a new one for sub $4MM. Want one today? No problem. Ouch. I think the number of buyers that can spend $2.5MM are signifactly larger than the ones that can spend $5MM on new. Large enough difference to keep cirrus backlog healthy? We’ll see. One thing I’m certain of as a salesman, I’d rather be selling a 2.5MM 6 seat jet than a $5MM 6 seat jet. Single or twin..

My hangar tenant’s cirrus jet arrives in March. Can’t wait to see it and get a ride.

So the SF50 is the first pressurized, single engine airplane ever built?

So true. Honda was 20 years late with their jet.

So the SF50 is the first pressurized, single engine airplane ever built?

I didn't say anything about "piston". Pilatus, TBM, Merdien......

The SF50 is the "affordable" option.

Pretty sure there are a couple of BTers in that list. They just dont want to wade into this trainwreck of a thread.

So true. Honda was 20 years late with their jet.

I didn't say anything about "piston". Pilatus, TBM, Merdien......

The SF50 is the "affordable" option.

You mean "ducted turbofan" vs. "non-ducted turbofan"

Besides, you original comment was about pressurization from bleed air. That has nothing to do with "pure jet" (whatever that is) vs. "prop".

Agreed.

When the person is the issue instead of the argument, they speaker is out of ammo.

Mike C.

Honda will likely never make a profit on the HA-420. But I suspect they knew that going in and the goal was to establish themselves in the market more than anything else. They built their own engine, which is a major part of the effort here, and hopefully that develops into more uses than just the HA-420. I'd love to see it offered as a retrofit to open up a choice other than PWC and Williams, but even making it available to other OEMs would be a good start.


It helps if you are an international conglomerate with $140B in sales per year. The HA-420 program is about 0.1% of Honda's revenue over the development program time frame, so basically a rounding error. The Japanese think long term and are fanatical about supporting their products. They could end up being a major player in business aircraft over time.

Honda uses the HA-420 for PR purposes as well. It was on a billboard at Disneyland, and in the Rose Parade when I was in LA this past holiday season.

The HA-420 is relatively conventional. The two major differences are the new engine and the wing pylons. Remains to be seen if those features prove out to be compelling. My guess is the engine might, the wing pylon probably not.

Mike C.

You mean "ducted turbofan" vs. "non-ducted turbofan"

Besides, you original comment was about pressurization from bleed air. That has nothing to do with "pure jet" (whatever that is) vs. "prop".

Right. And when you say "you are delusional", you speak about the person, not the issue.

Honda will likely never make a profit on the HA-420. But I suspect they knew that going in and the goal was to establish themselves in the market more than anything else. They built their own engine, which is a major part of the effort here, and hopefully that develops into more uses than just the HA-420. I'd love to see it offered as a retrofit to open up a choice other than PWC and Williams, but even making it available to other OEMs would be a good start.


It helps if you are an international conglomerate with $140B in sales per year. The HA-420 program is about 0.1% of Honda's revenue over the development program time frame, so basically a rounding error. The Japanese think long term and are fanatical about supporting their products. They could end up being a major player in business aircraft over time.

Honda uses the HA-420 for PR purposes as well. It was on a billboard at Disneyland, and in the Rose Parade when I was in LA this past holiday season.

The HA-420 is relatively conventional. The two major differences are the new engine and the wing pylons. Remains to be seen if those features prove out to be compelling. My guess is the engine might, the wing pylon probably not.

Mike C.

Has to be one of the most expensive ways in history (although I am sure there are enough other examples) to say "I have a jet".

Honda does have great engineering. My $400 College Honda XR250 would not die.
I also understand and agree with the long term view. It would be nice to see more of that. Fortunately, for Hondajet they have the support of an international conglomerate to feed what would be an unsustainable business on its own. It wouldn't work out so well if they were just trying to sell airplanes.

I’m glad someone is making these investments, but when I look at all the money that can be made with airplanes I understand why the word delusional might come up from time to time.