BeechTalk - BT

Username Protected · **Posted:** 16 Jan 2019, 15:05

Username Protected wrote:

At FSI during one of the PowerPoint learning modules I noticed a plane without boots on the tail. The instructors said the initial test plane didnt and Cessna said the boots were not required but the FAA made them add them.

As far as I know, all Citations have some form of deice on the horizontal, mostly pneumatic boots.

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I did take a photo of the plane but cant locate it at the moment.

Please post if you find it, I would be curious to see it.

Mike C.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 16 Jan 2019, 17:37

I seem to remember the same slide at FSI. It’s interesting that a lot of jets have no tail deice/anti-ice; Gulfstreams, Boeings, etc. yet the FAA made Cessna put it on the Citations. Maybe it’s the small radius of the leading edge.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 16 Jan 2019, 18:55

Username Protected wrote:

I don't think icing on the CJs has ever been a problem.

Jets have ample power reserve which is the best icing treatment.

But it isn't a problem until one day it is and bites you. Like an ATR 42 one day near Chicago. Still need to be vigilant.

One issue is that it is hard to treat the tail boots on a CJ2, way up in the air.

Still, one could wish for bleed air deice instead...

Mike C.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 16 Jan 2019, 21:19

Username Protected · **Posted:** 16 Jan 2019, 22:01

CJ tail boots get a lot of pinholes from static electrity. Make sure they are regularly inspected according to the Docs.

I had an HF antenna break and discovered it upon landing. Luckily at my home base.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 16 Jan 2019, 22:53

On a positive note it is 2 knots faster. :clap:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 17 Jan 2019, 17:35

Username Protected wrote:

Please post if you find it, I would be curious to see it.

Here it is.

Andrew

Username Protected · **Posted:** 17 Jan 2019, 17:58

Username Protected wrote:

Here it is.

I believe that is a brochure marketing image, not an actual airplane in flight.

Mike C.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 17 Jan 2019, 18:02

Username Protected wrote:

I don’t think it has either. At FSI during one of the PowerPoint learning modules I noticed a plane without boots on the tail. The instructors said the initial test plane didnt and Cessna said the boots were not required but the FAA made them add them. Not sure if it is true or not but kind of makes sense about them being boots and not hot.

I was told this by some Cessna people about the M2. So it got the boots, then the FAA wanted them to be required (mel), but Cessna stood up and said no. What I was told, anyway.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 18 Jan 2019, 16:16

Damn the weather has been crappy.

[youtube]https://youtu.be/ZXCst48GYME[/youtube]

Username Protected · **Posted:** 18 Jan 2019, 16:27

Earning your keep on that one :bow:

I'm seeing a lot of SLD farther north.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 18 Jan 2019, 23:41

Had an experience worth mentioning. IMC departure off of 16 at KPWK. Clearance was to climb and maintain 3000. Left turn within 1/2 mile of the depature end. The turn was essentially a 270 degree turn direct OLINN.

What goes through my mind is the Wei Chen and the CJ-4 off of Burke accidents. I brief what is about to happen. Perfect setup for spatial disorientation.

I rotated...climbed to 400 feet and started turn while cleaning up and throttling back. As I leveled off i could feel the leans creeping in. Just amazing in that I knew what could happen and was prepared for it. Yet it still happened. Just thinking had I not thought about it...got caught off guard...been a bit distracted etc.

No pun intended but you have to be spatially aware. The reason we do CrashTalk is to think this stuff through.

Be careful out there.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 19 Jan 2019, 00:01

Nice work!

Was the Autopilot call out a reminder to disconnect or noting disconnection?

Was the glideslope call out for being low (even though already on the ground)?

Did you see the lighting before the minimums call out?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 19 Jan 2019, 00:08

Username Protected wrote:

Nice work!

Was the Autopilot call out a reminder to disconnect or noting disconnection?

Was the glideslope call out for being low (even though already on the ground)?

Did you see the lighting before the minimums call out?

1)AP callout was noting I that I disconnected the AP.
2) once I saw the runway I went visual. Got below GS a tad. Not optimal
But I was good with it.
3) lighting in sight prior to minimums.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 19 Jan 2019, 00:15

love it MH, “report exiting the Rwy”. ATC can’t see shee!t At least you didn’t have to call for the line guy to walk you in..... :cheers:

Nice job.

Flying the Citation II