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 Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50
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AOPA just posted a short video about SF50 G2:

[youtube]https://youtu.be/rqyQAIe-vCU[/youtube]

Great video. This thing will be flying itself soon. The innovation in that G2 SF50 makes my Pilatus look like an old MU2. :D

The future of the SF50 is non pilots getting out of commercial air travel. You see the new "executive interior". Guess who that's being marketed to. They're gonna sell a million of them.


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 Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50
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Same thing they did to the SR-22. Start with a good plane, then add more technology and mechanical improvements, make the interior better than a BMW, keep innovating..... and the sales keep coming. There’ll be an SF50 G3 by the time some of the current position holders get their jet, and they’ll gladly pay up.

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 Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50
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Definitely addresses a number of the identified issues with the SF50 (max altitude, cabin noise, even range/payload/speed are addressed albeit only slightly). Pricing is 2.75 mm as I understand it. Looks like a noticeably more polished product, which is saying something. :bow: They will start delivering shortly.

Side note on the "faster processors" in the G3000 deck - apparently Garmin has upgraded the G3000 with the faster chips used in the NXi and various vendors are rolling these out. Piper's 2019 M600's will have the faster G3000 version as well. When I demo'd the M600 I didn't notice that the G3000 was slow (unlike a legacy G1000), but apparently the newer G3000 is even faster on the refresh/resolution improvements.

I definitely would buy a Vision Jet G2 if I could afford one. Alas, all I could afford in turbine land is a legacy Meridian ... :sad: *laughing* Life is good all around if you're flying!!


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 Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50
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The things that SF50 in the video is doing isn't available on a brand new Phenom 300 or PC24. The other aircraft manufacturers must be like "f$%k". They'd better step it up fast. Buy 2 SF50's or 1 PC12? Buy 8 SF50's or 1 Phenom 300? C'mon.... it's getting silly.


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 Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50
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that's nothing, wiki never lies :liar: & this (already posted) will soon do turf strips in 900ft & 46k FL
http://www.flaris.pl/offer/
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Cruise speed: 700 km/h (435 mph; 378 kn)
Stall speed: 115 km/h (71 mph; 62 kn)
Range: 3,200 km (1,988 mi; 1,728 nmi)
Service ceiling: 14,000 m (46,000 ft)

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 Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50
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Well those are some substantial improvements, Cirrus doesn't sit still for long. The SF50 is now almost as fast as a Mustang, and goes about as far. Hmmmm. Quite appealing for the turbine step up crowd. Right now for currently produced light turbines, as I see it:

range/payload M500<SF50<M600<=TBM 930<PC12

Speed: M500<M600<=PC12NG<SF50<TBM

High hot and short capability: SF50<TBM<M600<M500<PC12NG.

Price: M500<SF50<M600<TBM<PC12

Technology: PC12<M500<SF50=M600

Still no clear winner, is going to be cost and mission dependent, and the value of toys. Love the innovation though.

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 Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50
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Well those are some substantial improvements, Cirrus doesn't sit still for long. The SF50 is now almost as fast as a Mustang, and goes about as far. Hmmmm. Quite appealing for the turbine step up crowd. Right now for currently produced light turbines, as I see it:

range/payload M500<SF50<M600<=TBM 930<PC12

Speed: M500<M600<=PC12NG<SF50<TBM

High hot and short capability: SF50<TBM<M600<M500<PC12NG.

Price: M500<SF50<M600<TBM<PC12

Technology: PC12<M500<SF50=M600

Still no clear winner, is going to be cost and mission dependent, and the value of toys. Love the innovation though.

I think the fact that these planes are so easily compared speaks volumes.

A guy at my airport has a Phenom 300 and an SF50. He's not a pilot and is in that SF50 constantly. I halfway feel he only owns the Phenom to prove he has "real" jet. Makes him feel better about taking the SF50.


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 Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50
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Well those are some substantial improvements, Cirrus doesn't sit still for long. The SF50 is now almost as fast as a Mustang, and goes about as far. Hmmmm. Quite appealing for the turbine step up crowd. Right now for currently produced light turbines, as I see it:

range/payload M500<SF50<M600<=TBM 930<PC12

Speed: M500<M600<=PC12NG<SF50<TBM

High hot and short capability: SF50<TBM<M600<M500<PC12NG.

Price: M500<SF50<M600<TBM<PC12

Technology: PC12<M500<SF50=M600

Still no clear winner, is going to be cost and mission dependent, and the value of toys. Love the innovation though.


Is the M500 really better than the M600 on hot and high performance?

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In my Columbia 350 I used to be a....nearly Cirrus hater.......

Mine was better stronger faster....I don't need no stinkin chute

Now... :clap: on the SR 20 & 22 and an absolute

:drool: :drool: :drool: on the G2 Vision Jet

I will take my Kool-Aid Black Cherry please...

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I wonder if the RVSM rule change impacted the release of the G2 to 31k. But my question is why 31k, like the pending Cessna Denali why not higher say 35k. I would think there is still performance left to climb.


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I wonder if the RVSM rule change impacted the release of the G2 to 31k. But my question is why 31k, like the pending Cessna Denali why not higher say 35k. I would think there is still performance left to climb.

That'll be the G3.


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But my question is why 31k, like the pending Cessna Denali why not higher say 35k.

Save that for G3.

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Man I wish I could live to 100 to witness all the changes that will happen in aviation. What a great time to be alive. :peace:


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I wonder if the RVSM rule change impacted the release of the G2 to 31k. But my question is why 31k, like the pending Cessna Denali why not higher say 35k. I would think there is still performance left to climb.


Likely precedent. There are plenty of planes certified to 31K with a single turbine.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flaris_LAR01

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