As Mike had previously mentioned, I would guess that the insurance cost for the manufacturer on an engine mounted to a single would be drastically higher than on a twin. That money has to be figured in the sale price.

Seems obvious that a big turbine costs more to manufacture than a small one. Longer blades, more titanium, etc. You expect a 747 engine to cost the same as a PT6?

As Mike had previously mentioned, I would guess that the insurance cost for the manufacturer on an engine mounted to a single would be drastically higher than on a twin. That money has to be figured in the sale price.

If the SF50 had been Cirrus only product, they would be out of business by now, too. As it was, they nearly died trying to design it and was saved by the Chinese.

Mike C.

We have not seen any data to support that claim.

Pilatus is quoting me $10MM+ for a PC24
Embraer is offering at close to million $$ less.

SF50 vs Mustang..... which one has the BIG turbine?

That's BS too. No precedence. SETP's have the best safety record going. You think Pilatus pays higher insurance than King Air?

Wasn't his analogy SF50 vs Eclipse? I could see how the smaller Pratt could cost half... probably costs half just being Pratt vs Williams.

Eclipse works too I guess. I was just trying to keep it comparable to a jet a buyer would new that exists.....

So it has to be SF50 vs. M2. Why does an M2 cost 2X more? Why doesn't Textron just drop the price of the M2 to $2.5MM since they're so cheap to make?

That's not an explanation. That's "speculation".

Please show me how 2 mustang engines cost less than 1 SF50 engine.

Mustang engines are $1mm each. I doubt the SF50 engine is $2mm.

The newer PA46's are definitely roomier than the legacy aircraft. A lot of modifications over the years. More than anything there is a technique involved, and then a little athleticism helps. Once in place they are very comfortable. Would say no difference than a PC12 Mustang or any other cabin class aircraft that I have flown. I am 6'2 and 200 lbs and easily fit. I even pull the seat up one notch since all the way back doesn't feel right. These seats move forward back recline and also go up and down. So helps to know how to set them up. If you don't set them to your height can feel funny. I have seen some giant PA46 drivers at the convention. One could legitimately play front line for Greenbay by size criteria. Heard someone once say the best way to fit in a PA46 is to want to fit in one. Kind of the OJ glove analogy Anyway, if you want to make it work, it you can make it work. I have flown more first class than I would like to admit to. Would take the M600 any day of the week.

On the other hand the jet was quieter, safer, less stressful, and could top weather or circumnavigate weather much more easily. Plus it gives you the option of doing longer trips more efficiently. Carrying more payload too. How do you put a price on that?

If you sold the king air and only flew the Citation what would be your incremental cost per year? Meaningful or a rounding error? When compared to the things mentioned above does it equate? I betting net net it’s no worse than a wash and likely better in favor of the Citation.