BeechTalk - BT

Username Protected · **Posted:** 17 Dec 2018, 21:25

Username Protected wrote:

SF50 is all about the cockpit where as every other plane ever made is all about the cabin.

Key point. Cirrus all along said they're making a personal jet, versus the other VLJs being small corporate jets. Where the guy paying the bills is expected to sit, that's where they put their efforts. Another aspect is parts priced for personal checkbooks vs. corporate AmEx cards; a Premier owner on another thread reported that a flat tire resulted in buying a replacement wheel that cost $73,000, just for the wheel. !!! It will be interesting to see if the upkeep cost of the SF50 continues the paradigm shift away from the corporate jet model.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 17 Dec 2018, 21:30

Username Protected wrote:

Another aspect is parts priced for personal checkbooks vs. corporate AmEx cards; a Premier owner on another thread reported that a flat tire resulted in buying a replacement wheel that cost $73,000, just for the wheel. !!! It will be interesting to see if the upkeep cost of the SF50 continues the paradigm shift away from the corporate jet model.

A great point!

Username Protected · **Posted:** 17 Dec 2018, 21:31

Username Protected wrote:

If this plane could only fly from South Florida to New England would be perfect.... I want one.

It can. The word is 'quick-turn' and every jet FBO can do it.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 18 Dec 2018, 00:53

Seems like the only competition at that price point is the M600. I'd rather have the CirrusJet because the performance is better and the cabin is way better... and it's a jet. Also how will the numbers stack up if the ceiling gets lifted to 310?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 18 Dec 2018, 08:53

Username Protected wrote:

a Premier owner on another thread reported that a flat tire resulted in buying a replacement wheel that cost $73,000, just for the wheel. !!! It will be interesting to see if the upkeep cost of the SF50 continues the paradigm shift away from the corporate jet model.

Yes I read that but the premier isn't built anymore. A wheel on a Pilatus doesn't cost $73K either.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 18 Dec 2018, 20:19

Username Protected wrote:

JC put a wager on the table and is awaiting your response. You need to take him up on it.

His wager is the equivalent of "I bet one day the sun won't rise". It always remains possible, so he can never lose. Only an idiot would accept it as stated.

Mike C.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 18 Dec 2018, 21:14

Username Protected wrote:

JC put a wager on the table and is awaiting your response. You need to take him up on it.

His wager is the equivalent of "I bet one day the sun won't rise". It always remains possible, so he can never lose. Only an idiot would accept it as stated.

Mike C.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 18 Dec 2018, 21:45

Username Protected wrote:

It always remains possible
Mike C.

That's why it's called a "bet".

You claim Cirrus is going to go bankrupt over the SF50. I think otherwise.....

Username Protected · **Posted:** 18 Dec 2018, 21:59

Username Protected wrote:

You claim Cirrus is going to go bankrupt over the SF50. I think otherwise.....

I bet you $1,000 Cirrus goes bankrupt.

I can hear the backpedaling starting already...

Mike C.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 18 Dec 2018, 22:03

Username Protected wrote:

I bet you $1,000 Cirrus goes bankrupt.

I can hear the backpedaling starting already...

Mike C.

The correct word is "counter".... not "backpedal".

I bet you $1000 that By December 31, 2019 Cirrus is not bankrupt.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 18 Dec 2018, 22:05

Username Protected wrote:

I bet you $1000 that By December 31, 2019 Cirrus is not bankrupt.

I bet you by Dec 31, 2019, Cirrus has not delivered 500 SF50s.

Mike C.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 18 Dec 2018, 22:07

Username Protected wrote:

I bet you by Dec 31, 2019, Cirrus has not delivered 500 SF50s.

Mike C.

Well, obviously they're not going be at 500 this coming year as we're only at 60 or 80. Your bet is a bit unreasonable.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 18 Dec 2018, 22:07

Geeez guys. Don’t like go out on a limb or anything... :crazy:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 18 Dec 2018, 22:09

Username Protected wrote:

Geeez guys. Don’t like go out on a limb or anything... :crazy:

I think bankruptcy in 2019 is far more lily than delivering 500 SF50's. Who knows what could happen with the economy. I don't think the SF50 will bankrupt Cirrus... just the opposite. But a good world wide economic bust would bankrupt all of them. Especially as fat as everything has been the last few years.