BeechTalk - BT - Off the market (2008 Pilatus PC12NG)

Username Protected · **Posted:** 30 Nov 2018, 23:20

Username Protected wrote:

The full fuel payload is only 750lbs.

Sounds like it needs bigger tanks...

Username Protected · **Posted:** 30 Nov 2018, 23:52

Username Protected wrote:

So the new issue of flying hit my mailbox today with pc24 on the cover.

The full fuel payload is only 750lbs. Maybe I did the math wrong but I don’t think that thing is going Atl to ASE with a full load of people, high speed cruise and reserves to go missed at aspen and get back to Denver.

Long range cruise is 360knots, maybe it does it at that setting? Either way, sounds like that might not even solve your mission requirements JC?

Phenom 300 started out with a 750Lb full fuel payload. Now it's 1200. Growing pains. But yes, you're right. This is why you never buy serial number 1.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 01 Dec 2018, 08:02

Username Protected wrote:

The full fuel payload is only 750lbs.

Sounds like it needs bigger tanks...

Username Protected · **Posted:** 02 Dec 2018, 20:13

Not that this has anything to do with the sale of Jason's Pilatus, but...my hangar neighbor left this morning in his PC-12 for Cuba from Southern California. Hhe made it to New Orleans in 4 hours 18 minutes. That's an awesome traveling machine right there!

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N72 ... /KREI/KNEW

Looks like he had to deviate around some stuff over the gulf on the way to Fort Lauderdale though.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N72 ... /KNEW/KFXE

A PC-12 is a lot of bang for the buck if you ask me. :popcorn:

Dave

Username Protected · **Posted:** 02 Dec 2018, 20:41

I had a 60kt push at 11,500 today from TX to KY. Great day for an eastbound trip.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 03 Dec 2018, 01:05

Username Protected wrote:

I had a 60kt push at 11,500 today from TX to KY. Great day for an eastbound trip.

At 27,000' the push today was 80 - 90 kts Eastbound. We flew today and at FL 350 it was nearly 100kts.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 03 Dec 2018, 02:24

Love those 100kt tailwinds!

Username Protected · **Posted:** 03 Dec 2018, 03:21

Loath those 100kt headwinds!

Username Protected · **Posted:** 03 Dec 2018, 09:48

All planes seemed fast yesterday heading east.

The killer on a day like yesterday is if you were flying a pc12 into that wind. You are then going Bonanza speed.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 03 Dec 2018, 09:50

Username Protected wrote:

All planes seemed fast yesterday heading east.

The killer on a day like yesterday is if you were flying a pc12 into that wind. You are then going Bonanza speed.

I'd fly at 6500'. Still get 240GS.

FL410, FL430 and FL450 all have 100+ knot winds out of the West right now also.
https://www.aviationweather.gov/windtemp/plot

You need a Space Shuttle today.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 03 Dec 2018, 11:45

This month's Flying mag also has an interesting article by Dick Karl on jet ownership. Dick sold his Piper Cheyenne and bought a Premier I.

There were numerous expensive problems, and eventually hit a pelican that did serious un-repairable damage to the wing spar that the plane was totaled. :sad:

I get the impression that Dick is relieved to be out of the airplane with the insured value...

Username Protected · **Posted:** 03 Dec 2018, 12:07

Username Protected wrote:

This month's Flying mag also has an interesting article by Dick Karl on jet ownership. Dick sold his Piper Cheyenne and bought a Premier I.

There were numerous expensive problems, and eventually hit a buzzard that did serious un-repairable damage to the wing spar that the plane was totaled. :sad:

those have been insightful into the real world highs and lows of jets. fun reading.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 03 Dec 2018, 12:20

Username Protected wrote:

This month's Flying mag also has an interesting article by Dick Karl on jet ownership. Dick sold his Piper Cheyenne and bought a Premier I.

There were numerous expensive problems, and eventually hit a buzzard that did serious un-repairable damage to the wing spar that the plane was totaled. :sad:

I researched the Premier. Sell my Pilatus, pocket $1.5MM and buy a Premier.

Now the bad part.... 18 days at FSI in Wichita then a year of flying with a mentor pilot..... for a 2.5 hour airplane with a 370 pound full fuel payload. It's a complete waste of time. A Premier Type Rating doesn't lead to anything else.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 03 Dec 2018, 13:42

Fixed it...

Username Protected · **Posted:** 03 Dec 2018, 13:49

If you're looking to keep the range and payload similar to the Pilatus in single pilot jet, I don't think it exists without a compromise. Compromise will be headcount. Are there some benefits? I think so, but flying a jet I'm biased. I do like the ability to fly higher and faster. Even on shorter flights I still fly in the mid 20's. I'm not based in geography that requires me to fly departure procedures and am usually pretty direct on course. I have a 200nm milk run that I fly a few times a month. I still fly in the mid 20's. 35-40 mins depending on an approach procedure or not.

Seems like the CJ3+ or Phenom 300 is the best comparable in capability, but paying a lot for the experience. All your costs will increase.

I'm curious, do you pay into a program on the Pratt for PC-12? Or just saving for the event, or just call it day when it happens? In the jet, you will likely choose to be on a program and the pain associated with being on the program is every month.

Off the market (2008 Pilatus PC12NG) - considering options..