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Post subject: MUSTANGS Posted: 21 Nov 2018, 03:57 |
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Joined: 09/15/08 Posts: 16 Post Likes: +9
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I AM INTERESTED IN FINDING OUT MORE ABOUT THE MUSTANG. GOOD AND BAD. NOT A LOT ABOUT THEM ON THE FORUM. HAVE BEEN CONSIDERING A TURBINE, MERIDIAN, TBM, KING AIR, TO GET A GOOD ONE OF THESE NOT A LOT MORE FOR A MUSTANG. FEED BACK PLEASE. CHIP Mc CLURE THOUGHTS?
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Post subject: Re: MUSTANGS Posted: 21 Nov 2018, 08:39 |
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Joined: 11/04/17 Posts: 7 Post Likes: +2
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should be obvious, considering his alternatives  I only have one right-seat flight in a mustang (cessna), so sadly I can't be of much help.
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Post subject: Re: MUSTANGS Posted: 21 Nov 2018, 10:35 |
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Joined: 01/29/08 Posts: 26338 Post Likes: +13079 Location: Walterboro, SC. KRBW
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Username Protected wrote: I AM INTERESTED IN FINDING OUT MORE ABOUT THE MUSTANG. GOOD AND BAD. NOT A LOT ABOUT THEM ON THE FORUM. HAVE BEEN CONSIDERING A TURBINE, MERIDIAN, TBM, KING AIR, TO GET A GOOD ONE OF THESE NOT A LOT MORE FOR A MUSTANG. FEED BACK PLEASE. CHIP Mc CLURE THOUGHTS? wut?
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Post subject: Re: MUSTANGS Posted: 21 Nov 2018, 11:20 |
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Joined: 09/02/09 Posts: 8670 Post Likes: +9160 Company: OAA Location: Oklahoma City - PWA/Calistoga KSTS
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Username Protected wrote: If the Mustang does your mission it will pretty much do it better / faster / cheaper than a King Air or TBM. Understanding of course that the acquisition cost is higher.
I think this is an overstatement and overly simplistic. The acquisition cost of the Mustang is certainly less in many cases than a TBM for example, but I'd like to see an all in analysis that shows it's cheaper per mile. I'm highly skeptical. As to faster that's debatable dependent on mission (which I note you qualified your statement with). The Mustang's legs are shorter than the TBM, particularly loaded up, and probably some of the King Airs. That means its slower if you have trips that exceed its range. Better can't be stated categorically either. I considered a Mustang carefully before buying a TBM and for my missions it wasn't better. Range and payload didn't push me that way. Mustang was certainly less expensive to acquire. Seating comfort in cabin was perhaps marginally better. My potty in the TBM is equivalent to the Mustang in functionality and privacy (the new TBM pot is better than Mustang). I'll give the Mustang the plus in service availability, two engines and - it's a jet. Oh, and there is more ability to get over weather. Going and getting a type rating in the 510 is enormously expensive in time and treasure if you don't end up buying one. Recommending that as great investigative strategy isn't sound in my opinion. If one were committed to buying a 525 series but unsure of model it might make more sense.
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Post subject: Re: MUSTANGS Posted: 21 Nov 2018, 11:21 |
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Joined: 09/02/09 Posts: 8670 Post Likes: +9160 Company: OAA Location: Oklahoma City - PWA/Calistoga KSTS
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Username Protected wrote: CHIP Mc CLURE THOUGHTS? I think Chip's a good guy! 
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Post subject: Re: MUSTANGS Posted: 21 Nov 2018, 11:58 |
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Joined: 01/31/09 Posts: 5193 Post Likes: +3032 Location: Northern NJ
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Getting a type rating will not teach you what the ownership experience will be like or explore the full capabilities of the plane?
Are you in tbe US?
There are Mustangs to lease around the country to fly, take some flight training, and see how it does your missions. There is only so much you can evaluate on paper. After that you have to fly the actual plane.
_________________ Allen
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Post subject: Re: MUSTANGS Posted: 21 Nov 2018, 12:09 |
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Joined: 01/01/10 Posts: 3499 Post Likes: +2473 Location: Roseburg, Oregon
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I’ve owned one for the past 3.5 years. What would you like to know? It’s a great airplane and fits my mission perfectly. Like any airplane, matching your mission is the most important thing.
Max payload is 1350 lbs. (including the pilot), and you can do up to 600nm (zero wind IFR reserves) with max payload. With the tanks full, available payload is 770 lbs and you can do up to 1200nm with max fuel. You can interpolate from there for the payload/range relationship.
Cruise speeds range from 335kts to 350kts depending on altitude and temperature. ISA+ reduces speed and fuel burn, and ISA- increases speed and fuel burn. Typical max cruise fuel burns range from 500-600 pph, again depending on altitude and temperature. My block fuel over the course of a year is about 600pph, and my average flight time is 1.5 hours.
At current fuel prices, my DOC is running $1,000/hr, which includes engines and parts reserves. It’s quiet (78dB), nice handling, service ceiling at FL410, and a safe airplane to fly.
_________________ Previous A36TN owner
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Post subject: Re: MUSTANGS Posted: 21 Nov 2018, 13:30 |
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Joined: 01/31/09 Posts: 5193 Post Likes: +3032 Location: Northern NJ
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Username Protected wrote: At current fuel prices, my DOC is running $1,000/hr, which includes engines and parts reserves. It’s quiet (78dB), nice handling, service ceiling at FL410, and a safe airplane to fly. Agreed.
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