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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II  Posted: 12 Nov 2018, 19:38 |
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Username Protected wrote: It seems they always give a radial-fix coming out of OGD. Not sure why. When I'm westbound it's always TCH 296/50. I looked at the chart and there's a waypoint there, HOGUP. I asked the controller why they didn't use HOGUP, and he said he didn't know. He just reads what's printed on the clearance. One of these days I'll figure it out. Its the same type of thing departing out of KBFI to points directly south. They give distance based waypoints on the J70 radial (230) which sometimes coincide exactly with waypoints on the chart. Never understood why.
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 12 Nov 2018, 19:46 |
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Username Protected wrote: It seems they always give a radial-fix coming out of OGD. Not sure why. When I'm westbound it's always TCH 296/50. I looked at the chart and there's a waypoint there, HOGUP. I asked the controller why they didn't use HOGUP, and he said he didn't know. He just reads what's printed on the clearance. One of these days I'll figure it out. Same thing coming out of OKC. Vector to join a radial to a distance fix then fly another radial to a VOR then as filed. WTF? At then home base of the FAA and you are going to pill that BS? When you factor in the time to read/copy/correct/misfly etc it is just a horrible process. BWTHDIK?
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 12 Nov 2018, 19:51 |
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Username Protected wrote: It seems they always give a radial-fix coming out of OGD. Not sure why. When I'm westbound it's always TCH 296/50. I looked at the chart and there's a waypoint there, HOGUP. I asked the controller why they didn't use HOGUP, and he said he didn't know. He just reads what's printed on the clearance. One of these days I'll figure it out. Just a WAG, could it be that HOGUP is too low for the altitudes you are cleared for initially? That sounds like a non-RNAV departure, and I don't know if you can "legally" use HOGUP above 18k?
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 12 Nov 2018, 20:02 |
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Username Protected wrote: Mark what’s the full fuel payload in the 2? Also someone mentioned that Jettech might have a fuel computer to work with the 750? The CJ2 I fly has the Jettech STC and does have a fuel computer that works through the GTN 750’s. It works and I use it but if I were having to pay for it I’d probably pass on that option. I find the fuel gauges are so accurate that it becomes a simple math problem to do any fuel calculations, makes it hardly seem worth the extra $$ to have the computer.
Thanks Chad. Seems like it would make it easier determining Vref. So what’s your full fuel payload? Did you keep the Universal?
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 12 Nov 2018, 20:32 |
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Username Protected wrote: Thanks Chad. Seems like it would make it easier determining Vref. So what’s your full fuel payload? Did you keep the Universal? It has about a 900lb full fuel payload or about 1650lbs of payload before you hit the zero fuel weight limit. We did not keep the universal FMS.
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 13 Nov 2018, 00:08 |
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Username Protected wrote: CJ2 trip next week. Weds: Sdl-aus. Thursday: aus dal. Friday dal Sdl
Who wants to fly right seat? Damn. Not a single taker. I guess you all don’t want free jet time. 
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 13 Nov 2018, 00:23 |
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Username Protected wrote: CJ2 trip next week. Weds: Sdl-aus. Thursday: aus dal. Friday dal Sdl
Who wants to fly right seat? Damn. Not a single taker. I guess you all don’t want free jet time.
Otherwise committed with "the press of business..." That and flying for a living.
Would love to take you up on one of these trips, will keep watching!
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 13 Nov 2018, 09:02 |
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Username Protected wrote: CJ2 trip next week. Weds: Sdl-aus. Thursday: aus dal. Friday dal Sdl
Who wants to fly right seat? Damn. Not a single taker. I guess you all don’t want free jet time.
Mark, if I was still a single man I'd fly my Bo from Florida to right seat with you. We are, and have been for the last year, caring for my very ailing mother in law and her 92 year old sister. My life isn't my own anymore. I don't regret for a second, but it does keep me from things like this.
Thank you for extending the invitation to all of us. I sure enjoy reading your posts, watching the videos and doing a bit of vicarious living through you.
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 13 Nov 2018, 09:15 |
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Username Protected wrote: The most important button on that panel: “audio HPH only”. Those who know will get it! I think of MMO as a goal.... Actually, airliners were reporting as much as +/- 20kts mountain wave in the 30s. We saw almost 4000FPM climb in the high 30's (usually 800FPM) on the way back.
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 13 Nov 2018, 09:46 |
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Username Protected wrote: CJ2 trip next week. Weds: Sdl-aus. Thursday: aus dal. Friday dal Sdl
Who wants to fly right seat? Damn. Not a single taker. I guess you all don’t want free jet time.
One of these I'm going to show up on your doorstep.
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 13 Nov 2018, 20:32 |
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Mark if you ever get over to this side I would love to share the cockpit with you!
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 13 Nov 2018, 20:55 |
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Username Protected wrote: Actually a CJ2. John L. We flew to Ogden Utah from Scottsdale and back. Mark what’s the full fuel payload in the 2? Also someone mentioned that Jettech might have a fuel computer to work with the 750?
Our II has the gross weight increase so full fuel of 5008 lbs, we can load 1475 in payload and our SII we carry 5800 lbs fuel and payload of 1100 lbs.
The II with the gross weight mod and the S2 carry more than a ton more weight into the air than the CJ2
Gary
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 14 Nov 2018, 13:51 |
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Quote: Please remind those of us that haven't put a VOR radial with distance in a Garmin for a Loooog time, I found this from a Loooong time ago, Dave  viewtopic.php?f=21&t=57256&hilit=Garmin+430+radial+%2Fdistance
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