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Post subject: Re: Surf Air Posted: 08 Nov 2018, 15:55 |
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Username Protected wrote: https://www.surfair.com/us/
?? They refer to their third party operators.... Is it just a broker company? From the bottom of https://www.surfair.com/us/about-surfair/Surf Air does not own or operate any aircraft. Surf Air arranges travel and other services solely as a manager of the Surf Air membership program and as an agent of its membership. All flights arranged by Surf Air for its members are performed by independent, third party FAA-licensed and DOT-registered air carriers.
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Post subject: Re: Surf Air Posted: 08 Nov 2018, 17:14 |
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Username Protected wrote: https://www.surfair.com/us/
?? They refer to their third party operators.... Is it just a broker company? They use to lease or own PC-12's in their California operations. They sold that maybe a year or two ago and went solely to 3rd party operators.
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Post subject: Re: Surf Air Posted: 08 Nov 2018, 18:39 |
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Joined: 11/08/12 Posts: 7297 Post Likes: +4792 Location: Live in San Carlos, CA - based Hayward, CA KHWD
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Username Protected wrote: They use to lease or own PC-12's in their California operations. They sold that maybe a year or two ago and went solely to 3rd party operators. Fundamentally they lose less money when they let other companies get stuck holding the bill. Pretty common business strategy.
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Post subject: Re: Surf Air Posted: 08 Nov 2018, 20:51 |
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What assets do they have if they do not own aircraft? One of you smartalecks will say - Other people’s money.
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Post subject: Re: Surf Air Posted: 08 Nov 2018, 20:54 |
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Joined: 11/08/12 Posts: 7297 Post Likes: +4792 Location: Live in San Carlos, CA - based Hayward, CA KHWD
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Username Protected wrote: One of you smartalecks will say - Other people’s money. Well....
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Post subject: Re: Surf Air Posted: 09 Nov 2018, 00:13 |
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Username Protected wrote: What assets do they have if they do not own aircraft? One of you smartalecks will say - Other people’s money. Paying subscribers is a significant asset. What assets a real estate broker or insurance agent have, besides a desk and a phone? Yet, some of them are doing pretty well.
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Post subject: Re: Surf Air Posted: 09 Nov 2018, 03:03 |
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Joined: 06/17/14 Posts: 5860 Post Likes: +2633 Location: KJYO
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My Realtor owns property, multiple properties with some being corporate furnished condos, but they don’t handle the trust account or hold money for a future purchase.
The card companies usually drive a good deal. Avantair treated us well but we had not renewed when the maintenance issues started or started selling planes to leadership to “leaseback”
Good luck to Surf Air
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Post subject: Re: Surf Air Posted: 09 Nov 2018, 05:46 |
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Yes, they are still around.
They own (well, lease) a bunch of planes, that are operated under the 135 certificate of a few companies.
In California, they are in midst of a legal battle - Encompass Aviation holds a bunch of their planes, and won't release them due to unpaid bills. They use Advance Air to fly their flights. Advance has a few Surf Air PC12's now. In Texas, their flights are mostly operated by Tradewind Aviation. We have 2 Surf planes and we are providing one of our own, so in total we have 3 planes in Texas.
You won't hear their callsigns, because the flights are operated by third parties. In Texas if you hear a Goodspeed, it's one of us.
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Post subject: Re: Surf Air Posted: 09 Nov 2018, 11:44 |
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Joined: 01/08/11 Posts: 919 Post Likes: +1279 Location: California
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Quote: All flights arranged by Surf Air for its members are performed by independent, third party FAA-licensed and DOT-registered air carriers.
Um, not all... It's too bad; I really wanted them to do well.
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