Saw a guy at a FBO wanting to use his program card demanding the 4.01 price listed. They were able to take .39 of of that if he just used a credit card. Goes right into FBO account. Don’t have to wait for slow paying Fuel card company to pay.

Yes Mark, one has to shop. I've found several places where their retail rate is lower than a fuel card, especially World Fuel. I've called and World just says they can't beat some of them. I've found CAA consistently better. At a few places, if one dickers enough and frequents it, an on-field rate can be better. At Wisconsin Aviation in Madison, a new gal once quoted me the airline rate. That will get your attention as far as what's cheap.

Dave,

Hahaha the "airline" rate. That lost her the job quick. Airlines make their deal with the Airport operating entity when they sign on to offer service. The fbo only gets a flowage/delivery fee for the gallons. Only helps them in their overall volume with their fuel supplier. The airport also usually charges a fee to the airline based on gallons too. This info should be available publicly from the minutes. I've seen a nickel, .05, go to the airport before. Not a get rich situation but it all adds up when you talk good gallons.

I remember Shell Oil had a small pipeline spur up to Ohare, back in the 70's at least, that supplied a very small portion of ORD's volume. This pipe carried 8,000 barrels an hour I think to the tank farm. That's 416,000 gallons/hour. I think a 737 back then might have burned 8000 gallons on a trip to Vegas from ORD.

FBO makes their real money off GA and GA private jets/TP's.

Yea Chuck: new gal and when I asked further, someone else stepped in and told me not to pay attention to the man behind the curtain! But, it was illuminating to hear what the airline rate was.

KMDW to KPUB. FL400. Straight V. 400kts true. Never saw more than 280knots.

Haven't seen one of those in a while. Globalstar 2100?

I assume you're not landing with 150lbs of fuel so what does the yellow 150 represent?

Haven't seen one of those in a while. Globalstar 2100?

I assume you're not landing with 150lbs of fuel so what does the yellow 150 represent?

I have heard of this before with old FMS. New ones take climb and descent into account? In other words, the new ones calculate the whole trip like we would manually, versus just a snapshot in time?

That GNS looks confusing to the uninitiated...not like a Garmin where you can just figure it out. I suppose after some training, like anything, it all makes sense.

Regarding fuel card prices, I believe if CAA price is not the best one on the field the FBO can get kicked out.

No,
Not the cheaper on the field but at the same FBO.

I have heard of this before with old FMS. New ones take climb and descent into account? In other words, the new ones calculate the whole trip like we would manually, versus just a snapshot in time?

That GNS looks confusing to the uninitiated...not like a Garmin where you can just figure it out. I suppose after some training, like anything, it all makes sense.

FL 370
Single Pilot
No Passengers

but nice try.