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Post subject: Re: Engine Failure in Flight, night IMC Posted: 21 Sep 2018, 20:50 |
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Good work, but if bringing back a -421 from that scenario is a problem, then we shouldn't be flying M/E airplanes...
_________________ Tailwinds, Doug Rozendaal MCW Be Nice, Kind, I don't care, be something, just don't be a jerk ;-)
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Post subject: Re: Engine Failure in flight, night and IMC Posted: 21 Sep 2018, 21:57 |
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Joined: 03/28/17 Posts: 6693 Post Likes: +8033 Location: N. California
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Username Protected wrote: Well I survived an engine failure today. 421B Night IMC OVC ~500ft in cruise at 12000ft, 9 mins after take-off. Right engine starter adapter failed (750 hours on starter) 1500 SMOH on engine. After the initial disbelief it was a non-event.I will post more details later. Glad I was in a twin and have gone to Simcom for the last three years in a row. Hilgard Flightaware profileEdited for post-adrenaline spelling errors Hilgard, Congratulations on a great job. You just played the top tune in the one man band of single-pilot multi-engine IFR. Good dedication to staying with recurrent training.
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Post subject: Re: Engine Failure in flight, night and IMC Posted: 21 Sep 2018, 23:04 |
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Great Job! This one turned out as it should!
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Post subject: Re: Engine Failure in Flight, night IMC Posted: 22 Sep 2018, 00:30 |
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Great job Hilgard, Username Protected wrote: Good work, but if bringing back a -421 from that scenario is a problem, then we shouldn't be flying M/E airplanes... Of course I agree with you Doug.... There ARE plenty of us twin pilots that have not yet had an engine failure. We train, hope and pray we are good enough when it happens. I think I am, that’s why I have a twin. Pretty sure I am in the top 80 percentile Ifin one thinks I am tooting me own horn read line above again What frightens me about flying: Ice Thunderstorms Mush between my ears IN REVERSE ORDER GREAT JOB HILGARD
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Post subject: Re: Engine Failure in flight, night and IMC Posted: 22 Sep 2018, 17:00 |
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I found the LiveATC from the engine out. If anyone has 15 minutes to waste the conversation starts at 6:30 Few observations: -He did not hear me declare an emergency the first time, I said " I will declare...." Could have been clearer on that. -Initially I decided to continue to destination (CYUZ) as there is a 6000ft runway, weather was VMC, fair maintenance. I was concerned about flying another 100miles on one engine as there were two other options nearby, albeit with IMC. At ~30 and 50 miles from me. -Next decided to go to Red Deer (CYQF) - 8500ft runway with 700 ceilings, good maintenance. -Few minutes later another controller (I assume the supervisor) came on freq and advised that the weather in Red Deer is declining, but still above mins. Temp=dew point -I then decided to head to Edmonton International (CYEG) 10 000ft, good maintenance, weather a little better than Red Deer. Although I recall only breaking out around 3-400 feet. In all I am happy with my performance, don't sound to stressed which i think is the biggest factor in any emergency, if you panic you cannot think straight. Any critique from others, what would you have done different? Hilgard Edit for spelling
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Post subject: Re: Engine Failure in flight, night and IMC Posted: 22 Sep 2018, 20:11 |
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Username Protected wrote: What does your wife think of this? Every time my piston chortles my wife freaks out. If such an event or the similar event in the guy with the P Baron occurred my wife would never fly with me again. Question? Why on earth are you messing around with these scary piston airplanes when you can get a citation jet for 250k; this makes no sense. I got a dash -! immediately. People think this OK to have engines quitting and failing and praise the pilot for surviving the ordeal? Not OK. These old piston twins are scary and dangerous. Time to move on from them. Michael, This may come as a surprise, but not all of us pilots have the funds to own, operate, hangar, maintain, and insure a jet.
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Post subject: Re: Engine Failure in flight, night and IMC Posted: 22 Sep 2018, 20:21 |
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Username Protected wrote: My wife would rather fly in my 421C that is “very well maintained” than a 45 year old Jet with “minimal” maintenance. My jet had a Phase 1-5 with a Citation Shop recently. I'm not sure how that qualifies as minimal maintenance. 421s are scary airplanes in the event of an engine failure. ---10 me all you want this is fact. An old Citation is much safer than an old 421.
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Post subject: Re: Engine Failure in flight, night and IMC Posted: 22 Sep 2018, 20:25 |
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Username Protected wrote: I'n all I am happy with my performance, don't sound to stressed which i think is the biggest factor in any emergency, if you panic you cannot think straight. This. I teach a post-graduate course to graduates of Air Force pilot training who are going to single-seat/single-pilot aircraft. The biggest lesson we drill into them is that, after accomplishing the memory items, slowing down and thinking thru the problem is essential in an aircraft emergency. Slowing down may seem counterproductive but our brain actually slows down when we try to cram too much thinking in too short a time. The students who slow down and think thru the problem routinely get the emergency handled in half the time of those who try to do things too fast. More importantly, those who slow down make an order of magnitude fewer mistakes. Nice work, Hilgard.
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Post subject: Re: Engine Failure in flight, night and IMC Posted: 22 Sep 2018, 20:39 |
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You aren’t a pilot anymore! You’re an aviator. nice job Mark
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Post subject: Re: Engine Failure in flight, night and IMC Posted: 22 Sep 2018, 23:55 |
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Username Protected wrote: My wife would rather fly in my 421C that is “very well maintained” than a 45 year old Jet with “minimal” maintenance. My jet had a Phase 1-5 with a Citation Shop recently. I'm not sure how that qualifies as minimal maintenance. 421s are scary airplanes in the event of an engine failure. ---10 me all you want this is fact. An old Citation is much safer than an old 421.
I could not agree more...after flying piston twins and then transitioning to turbines, I find myself thinking "...what was I thinking!".
Piston twins such as the Navajo I used to fly, are not in the same league as a C90 or more. Just no comparison. C90 will fly away from a Vr cut. Navajo, not so much.
I flew the Navajo a couple weeks ago, and running through my mind in takeoff from a 3600' X 60' strip was "...you motherf@&$-/ better not quit...". (Said to both of them). I flew the C90 out of the same strip a couple weeks later and it kept pulling like crazy after liftoff. Versus the Navajo struggling to accelerate to blue line.
I don't think about a turbine failing like that..
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