There really aren't any "preflight checks" once the motor is running. The stick shaker test is done "on the role". Most everything is done before startup. Check the controls are free and clear and check that fuel flow looks good and you're done.

I followed the same rule when I had my bonanza. Mag check etc. "on the role". Nothing beats up a prop more than sitting still powering up the motor.

No prop over-speed or beta test on the ground in the Pilatus?

Interesting points on simplicity of M600 vs TBM.

When I look back on a lot of plane comparisons, I think you see planes that are "simple" are the ones which generally sell better.
A few examples:

• Cirrus SR22 was ahead of many others with simple avionics, and two power levers versus three.
• Diamond DA40NG now selling to fleet buys better than others. Jet-A, single lever, overall simplicity is considered a major selling point.
• PC12 vs KA-200. One engine, less to manage.
• TBM vs KA-90. One engine, less to manage
• SETP vs old piston twins. One lever versus six....

I am sure there are more. But as companies find ways to reduce the number of pilot tasks, and not sacrifice performance except in edge cases, you see the market tends to move in that direction. I know there are also examples for six fuel tanks versus four, but I cannot recall the models...

Tim

No.

I use beta while taxiing.

No.

I use beta while taxiing.

No, there's no test for that. But I can put it in beta while flying if I want.

I would like to see that in the POH.




No, there's no test for that. But I can put it in beta while flying if I want.

You can put a KA or 441 "over the gate" in flight. POH prohibits it. Stupid Pilot trick would allow it.

And flying a 441 in manual mode approaching to land, the urge is strong to "go over the gate".

This guy decided to put the power levers into beta while in flight. It didn't work out so well for him. Fried the engines instantly. Probably not a good idea to try that...


https://aviation-safety.net/database/re ... 19940201-0

I'm surprised going into beta in flight didn't cause an immediate loss of control...

I love the conclusion of the report which is that it's partially a design-fault for the lack of a squat switch (interpreted / paraphrasing) to prevent beta being activated in-flight. I mean it has a gate, he had to lift it over the gate?!?!

Reasons no one can drive a manual transmission anymore (everything has been idiot-proofed)

you don't want to.

you don't want to.

1. It started with Cirrus is stupid.
2. Then went to TBM is the best thing since sliced bread. The OP obviously should have bought a Duke.
3. Followed by Piper making life easier for the pilot in the M600 when compared to the TBM.
4. Anyone who wants an easier pilot life is not a real pilot.
5. From there went on a tangent to a TBM that porpoised on landing, somewhere. And
6. then the consideration of coral reef, low prop clearance for the TBM compared to
7. pretty much every other SETP. How this is not an issue for the PC12, and you
8. shutdown the engine before coming to a stop to reduce prop erosion.
9. Follow up question on using beta for taxi and startup on sketchy runways in the Caribbean.
10. Which then migrated to beta controls, gates and squat switches.

Fairly typical for BT I think.

Tim

1. It started with Cirrus is stupid.
2. Then went to TBM is the best thing since sliced bread. The OP obviously should have bought a Duke.
3. Followed by Piper making life easier for the pilot in the M600 when compared to the TBM.
4. Anyone who wants an easier pilot life is not a real pilot.
5. From there went on a tangent to a TBM that porpoised on landing, somewhere. And
6. then the consideration of coral reef, low prop clearance for the TBM compared to
7. pretty much every other SETP. How this is not an issue for the PC12, and you
8. shutdown the engine before coming to a stop to reduce prop erosion.
9. Follow up question on using beta for taxi and startup on sketchy runways in the Caribbean.
10. Which then migrated to beta controls, gates and squat switches.

Fairly typical for BT I think.

Tim

1. It started with Cirrus is stupid.
2. Then went to TBM is the best thing since sliced bread. The OP obviously should have bought a Duke.
3. Followed by Piper making life easier for the pilot in the M600 when compared to the TBM.
4. Anyone who wants an easier pilot life is not a real pilot.
5. From there went on a tangent to a TBM that porpoised on landing, somewhere. And
6. then the consideration of coral reef, low prop clearance for the TBM compared to
7. pretty much every other SETP. How this is not an issue for the PC12, and you
8. shutdown the engine before coming to a stop to reduce prop erosion.
9. Follow up question on using beta for taxi and startup on sketchy runways in the Caribbean.
10. Which then migrated to beta controls, gates and squat switches.

Fairly typical for BT I think.

Tim