BeechTalk - BT - Swan Song For Citation X: Farewell To Fastest Civil Aircraft

Username Protected · **Posted:** 26 Jun 2018, 11:45

Mike, would you consder gov't/military purchases of Cessna airplanes as "subsidies"? That's the most common counter arguement from Airbus: Our massive military spending is a de facto subsidy to our aviation sector.

I don't have an opinion on this, but suspect this might be what he's getting at.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 26 Jun 2018, 12:36

Deleted as lame.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 26 Jun 2018, 12:55

Anyway, I don't see how Concorde (no "The" in front of the name)'s development being subsidized has anything to do with the topic, or the achievement of the fastest civil aircraft ever built.

Quick question for the X's drivers: did you have any limitation (max ceiling?) if the YD were to fail for instance?

edit: trying to be less of a &^%# to Bill, sorry.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 26 Jun 2018, 14:29

Username Protected wrote:

Mike, would you consder gov't/military purchases of Cessna airplanes as "subsidies"?

I didn't see any Citation X registered to a government entity in the US registry.

Mike C.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 26 Jun 2018, 14:33

Username Protected wrote:

Mike, would you consder gov't/military purchases of Cessna airplanes as "subsidies"?

I didn't see any Citation X registered to a government entity in the US registry.

Mike C.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 26 Jun 2018, 14:53

Username Protected wrote:

I didn't specify the X. I wrote, "Cessna airplanes".

I specified the Citation X since that is the subject of the thread, and its source of funding was questioned.

Mike C.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 26 Jun 2018, 15:07

Username Protected wrote:

I didn't specify the X. I wrote, "Cessna airplanes".

I specified the Citation X since that is the subject of the thread, and its source of funding was questioned.

Mike C.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 26 Jun 2018, 15:37

I think the Government might buy toilet paper too.

You guys are boring

Username Protected · **Posted:** 27 Jun 2018, 01:33

The Gulfstream G650 briefly was the king of the hill for about a year and a half before the Citation got a few improvements and a little more "more speed".

At the time there were no government orders for the G650 but there certainly was a lot of previous purchases and funding for Gulfstream, General Dynamics, and Grumman in the past and likely Gulfstream and GD in the future.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 27 Jun 2018, 07:12

Username Protected wrote:

The Gulfstream G650 briefly was the king of the hill for about a year and a half before the Citation got a few improvements and a little more "more speed".

At the time there were no government orders for the G650 but there certainly was a lot of previous purchases and funding for Gulfstream, General Dynamics, and Grumman in the past and likely Gulfstream and GD in the future.

US government orders are why they are still building the G550

Username Protected · **Posted:** 27 Jun 2018, 07:40

It’s just hard to beat a Gulfstream, good and dependable airplane that’s built like a tank.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 27 Jun 2018, 22:18

John, how was the reliability of the X you flew compared to other corporate jets you've flown. Would you say the cost of ownership was equivalent per mile flown? Don't see why it would be so much more to operate...

Username Protected · **Posted:** 27 Jun 2018, 23:16

Mike C is always right on whatever he says, just ask him!