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Post subject: Re: New Cirrus-SR18? Posted: 20 Jun 2018, 16:34 |
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Username Protected wrote: Deltahawk's Slogan "Jet Fueled Piston Power for the New Century"
Great slogan when they wrote it in 2002. You missed your chance to do one of the pilot favorites: Bashing the FAA as horrible and saying it should be junked. Well unless it's about preventing an airport closure or preventing ATC Privatization, in which case the FAA is wonderful and needs protection. /snicker
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Post subject: Re: New Cirrus-SR18? Posted: 20 Jun 2018, 16:49 |
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Username Protected wrote: Deltahawk's Slogan "Jet Fueled Piston Power for the New Century"
Great slogan when they wrote it in 2002. To be fair Deltahawk never did say which "new century"
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Post subject: Re: New Cirrus-SR18? Posted: 21 Jun 2018, 08:31 |
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Username Protected wrote: Cirrus’s next direction will be a new revolution A 2 seat airplane that looks almost exactly like their current 4 seat one. Thank you Cirrus for such radical innovation. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: New Cirrus-SR18? Posted: 21 Jun 2018, 09:33 |
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Username Protected wrote: A 2 seat airplane that looks almost exactly like their current 4 seat one.
Thank you Cirrus for such radical innovation.
Mike C. maybe the innovation is price. maybe it's fuel consumption. Who knows.
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Post subject: Re: New Cirrus-SR18? Posted: 21 Jun 2018, 09:51 |
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Username Protected wrote: maybe the innovation is price. maybe it's fuel consumption. Who knows. Yeah, nobody has tried to innovate in those areas. Well, except for just about every company that builds a light plane, and the entire LSA industry. The "revolution", if you want to call it that, will likely where it will be built and the target market: China. The Chinese own Cirrus. To jump start GA in China, they need a BUNCH of 2 seat trainers. With trade wars and labor costs, don't want to build those here. So design a light 2 seat trainer, build it in China in large quantities, make it run on unleaded car gas or jet/diesel since 100LL is rare in that part of the world. So the "revolution" will be about the impact on the Chinese domestic market, not what the airplane design is. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: New Cirrus-SR18? Posted: 21 Jun 2018, 10:06 |
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Username Protected wrote: maybe the innovation is price. maybe it's fuel consumption. Who knows. Yeah, nobody has tried to innovate in those areas. Well, except for just about every company that builds a light plane, and the entire LSA industry.
Look back 30 years in aviation ... who has innovated in piston GA? Cirrus.
It's possible they succeed where others have failed.
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Post subject: Re: New Cirrus-SR18? Posted: 21 Jun 2018, 11:37 |
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Username Protected wrote: Look back 30 years in aviation ... who has innovated in piston GA? Cirrus. You are another victim of Cirrus marketing. Nothing on a Cirrus was invented by Cirrus or first to appear on a Cirrus. Not even the parachute. The Corvalis, for example, is significantly faster than a Cirrus on the same power. Cirrus technology is mundane, standard. What they claim as "innovations" each year are trifles. If you disagree, write down everything that first appeared on a Cirrus. Then Google it and check. If any of your list remains, I bet it will be laughably trivial things. What Cirrus is good at is marketing, including the message they are "innovators". GA doesn't need "innovation". GA needs "economical". Cirrus certainly ain't that. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: New Cirrus-SR18? Posted: 21 Jun 2018, 11:54 |
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Username Protected wrote: Look back 30 years in aviation ... who has innovated in piston GA? Cirrus. You are another victim of Cirrus marketing. Nothing on a Cirrus was invented by Cirrus or first to appear on a Cirrus. Not even the parachute. The Corvalis, for example, is significantly faster than a Cirrus on the same power. Cirrus technology is mundane, standard. What they claim as "innovations" each year are trifles. If you disagree, write down everything that first appeared on a Cirrus. Then Google it and check. If any of your list remains, I bet it will be laughably trivial things. What Cirrus is good at is marketing, including the message they are "innovators". GA doesn't need "innovation". GA needs "economical". Cirrus certainly ain't that. Mike C.
Per BING search of definitions: Innovation is "making changes in something established, especially by introducing new methods, ideas, or products."
And yes, Cirrus meets this definition, in spades. Now, did they invent a lot of the stuff? Nope. But they continue to make changes to the established market. They continue to push boundaries of what is accepted by the market. They have done more in general aviation about understanding the customer than any other manufacturer in recent memory.
If the proposed plane, is an SR-18 and is aimed at the training market it will likely have some rather interesting twists. Could be anything from production processes allowing for lower costs, to production material selection, to lowered operating costs through such things as exchangeable power train systems.
Tim
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Post subject: Re: New Cirrus-SR18? Posted: 21 Jun 2018, 12:02 |
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Username Protected wrote: A 2 seat airplane that looks almost exactly like their current 4 seat one. Thank you Cirrus for such radical innovation.
Mike C. I know - innovation hidden in plane (sic) sight. You gotta love it In the immortal words of Taylor Swift - Haters goin to hate, hate, hate Attachment: Haters_Gonna_Hate.gif
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Post subject: Re: New Cirrus-SR18? Posted: 21 Jun 2018, 12:09 |
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Username Protected wrote: In the immortal words of Taylor Swift - Haters goin to hate, hate, hate Labeling others as haters is a typical illogical reaction by believers. Still waiting for that list of "innovations" by Cirrus. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: New Cirrus-SR18? Posted: 21 Jun 2018, 12:11 |
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Username Protected wrote: I know - innovation hidden in plane (sic) sight. You gotta love it
In the immortal words of Taylor Swift - Haters goin to hate, hate, hate yep. And a carbon cub looks a lot like a PA-11. They must be the same thing.
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Post subject: Re: New Cirrus-SR18? Posted: 21 Jun 2018, 12:16 |
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Username Protected wrote: Innovation is "making changes in something established, especially by introducing new methods, ideas, or products." Provide a list for Cirrus. Cirrus SR series is an excellent execution of established ideas. Cirrus is not a creator of new ideas. Mike C.
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