There are used PC24's in the market?

I certainly hope Pilatus has used each one they sell. :-)

There are currently 2 PC-24s on the US registry.

N124AF, serial #101

N224WA, serial #102

Both are active on Flightaware.

So buying a used PC-24 is now theoretically possible.

Mike C.

Not so much the approach, but the take off power climb and acceleration is in a different boat. And soundly better than the CJ1 with mods. Our Cessna demo pilot blew both our first altitude restriction and the below class B speed limit. We were climbing at 235 KIAS, and 3000 fpm. Mustang don't fly like that...

Now it doesn't, but pull the power back on the M2 and it will fly like the Mustang. Problem solved.

There ain't nothing you can do the Mustang to make it fly like an M2.

Mike C.

Here is a Pic. We were not at GW, and it was cool, but holy cow, that plane can climb. Get in trouble real fast.

M2 a little bit fast? What do you think is a little bit slow?

You can fly the M2 at any speed between 100kts and 400kts. With simple position of the throttle you, the pilot, can pick the speed that you are comfortable at.

Not a big difference between the Mustang and the M2 in speeds other than at the high end - 340 kts vs. 400kts. Don't push up the throttle until you care comfortable with the speed.

Where you get to use the high end speed difference you hardly feel it. All the 500/510/525 Citations fly at about the same speed for approach and landing. Which is typically slower then most twin props.

M2 is as good of an entry jet as a Mustang. Cj2 was my entry jet.

The dude that put his family in the lake would have had the problem with any new jet he was in. My personal opinion is he went from a G1000 aircraft to a Proline 21 aircraft and didn't know how to use the AP & FMS at a critical time when he needed it. Nothing specifically wrong with him being in a CJ4 other then he didn't get enough transition training.

So you would prefer to get into trouble real slow? If a pilot does not know how to manage his aircraft performance then he needs more training until he can.

That climb performance can get you through an icing layer real quickly. Or climb over a weather front.

More accidents have happened due to lack of performance then due to too much performance. Example being the Comanche SDL crash.

If a demo pilot blew a speed or altitude, well hey, it was a demo and the customer did it and the demo pilot could not, or chose not to intervene. Cannot risk offending the customer or letting them feel it is too much airplane. All that should be able to be worked out in the sim.

Just hard to make the purchase decision. Overwhelming buyer guilt. And knowing the money could be invested into earning more money and security.

And, where to put the thing!

Yeah, you are right. Pilots don't get themselves in trouble when things happen too fast and the pilot gets behind the plane. My bad.

The demo pilot was flying, because I was not typed, they would not let me take off. Cessna interpretation of the rules. I would not have blown the altitude, the speed maybe. As far as I know take off power is the take off detent. Are they teaching you can take off at less than take off power? Take off, clean up, heading, altitude restriction, freq change new altitude change, that is all it took for the speed to get away from him and he was likely pretty experienced being a Cessna demo pilot.

Your losing some street cred here!

You missed the biggest distraction, the potential customers the demo pilot is trying to impress.

The "show off" distraction shows up in several accidents and can be hard to control for a new pilot so excited to be using their new airplane.

Mike C.

I didn't say CJ3+... I said CJ3

Yeah, I used to like to do that in the 727; but even more fun in the 747 at .92 Mach.

Someday maybe you will learn how to fly a hot rod.

TO Power detent is max 10 minutes. When you are light and have the climb rate you want then pull power out of TO, often right after gear up. Set climb power is part of clean up unless you need to get over some obstacles.

Can't comment on the Cessna pilot except he would have busted a checkride flying it that way.

If the M2 windshield is not electrically de-iced, how does it work then? Do other Citations have a similar system? Sounds (pun not intended) somewhat of an annoyance, having to wear ANR because of the loud windshield de-icer in your multi-million dollar jet.