BeechTalk - BT

Username Protected · **Posted:** 19 Apr 2018, 10:04

https://p2012.tecnam.org

Will this aircraft be a viable alternative for short distance people/freight/ambulance moving?

Advanced 375 hp lycomings with no mags or mixture control, 11 total seats, twin redundancy.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 19 Apr 2018, 10:09

Cape Air seems to think so.

George

Username Protected · **Posted:** 19 Apr 2018, 10:20

Username Protected wrote:

Cape Air seems to think so.

George

Apparantly they ordered 100 of them.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 19 Apr 2018, 10:39

I think so - there's a big worldwide market for island hopping. Turbine's are pricey to operate on a dozen 20 minute legs/day. Especially if they spec the thing to run on premium unleaded, it's a winner.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 19 Apr 2018, 14:29

So you are telling me that Cape Air will run car gas in these aircraft?

I know we had a past tread on this but I dont see the saving vs a Caravan burning cheaper Jet A.

I dont see car gas or premium unleaded approved.

Username Protected wrote:

I think so - there's a big worldwide market for island hopping. Turbine's are pricey to operate on a dozen 20 minute legs/day. Especially if they spec the thing to run on premium unleaded, it's a winner.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 19 Apr 2018, 15:57

"especially if"

Seems foolish not to spec for car gas, but not my circus.

The issue vs. Caravan's isn't the cost of fuel, it's the cost of engines (they cycle out quickly) and the amount of fuel (taxiing for 20 minutes every leg in BOS, etc)

Username Protected · **Posted:** 19 Apr 2018, 16:36

Username Protected wrote:

"especially if"

Seems foolish not to spec for car gas, but not my circus.

The issue vs. Caravan's isn't the cost of fuel, it's the cost of engines (they cycle out quickly) and the amount of fuel (taxiing for 20 minutes every leg in BOS, etc)

The issue (from the website) is a two crew vs one crew requirement and also twin vs single in intl air service.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 20 Apr 2018, 05:27

Cessna Caravan is single pilot and approved for IFR in Int air service.

I dont see the cycle arguments as these turbine parts are approved for 15000-20000 cycles.

I could just imagine the oil changes, cylinders, mags and turbo maintenance on these piston engines.

Username Protected wrote:

"especially if"

Seems foolish not to spec for car gas, but not my circus.

The issue vs. Caravan's isn't the cost of fuel, it's the cost of engines (they cycle out quickly) and the amount of fuel (taxiing for 20 minutes every leg in BOS, etc)

The issue (from the website) is a two crew vs one crew requirement and also twin vs single in intl air service.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 20 Apr 2018, 07:20

Username Protected wrote:

I could just imagine the oil changes, cylinders, mags and turbo maintenance on these piston engines.

Did you read the article about this engine? Electronic ignition (no mags) and some pretty advanced protection built in. I would not be surprised if they get good value with these engines.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 20 Apr 2018, 09:15

Anybody know the price point and the TAS?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 20 Apr 2018, 11:14

Wikipedia says 2.3 million. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tecnam_P2012_Traveller

The specs page shows flights planned at 160-180 knots. Wiki says it can go 190 knots. These may both be correct in that there wont be much difference in block time on a 160 mile run but costs may dictate the slower speed.

Cape air is the big customer. I doubt speed matters much on the Boston-Provincetown run or New Bedford-Marthas Vinyard at 23 miles.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 20 Apr 2018, 11:20

I think it nicely undercuts the $5.5 million pricetag of the Cessna Skycourier, which was discussed previously on BeechTalk.
http://cessna.txtav.com/en/turboprop/skycourier
Obvious differences are 19 seats versus 11 and turboprop vs piston.

Tecnam P2012 Traveller