BeechTalk - BT

Username Protected · **Posted:** 07 Mar 2018, 03:56

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Thanks John. Fun having you along. Organization is important. The cabin isn’t large and when your buddy is riding along (and can’t be of any help) this you also lose the one place you can put stuff. The copilot’s seat! :lol:

Well done Mark! Testing the deodorant just reading it!
In a very small way, and at half the speed, I notice the same thing when Nancy is flying with me. No space for my iPad, notepad and my Contigo coffee cup....
Learning to pull the plates up on the GTN or the G500. It can be done, they are there, but somehow I prefer to study them on the iPad.....
Such first world problems we have......

And I still don’t like circle to land approaches......

:thumbup:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 07 Mar 2018, 10:02

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And I still don’t like circle to land approaches......

:thumbup:

Heh...in the 135 organization I fly the C90 for, they are a regular checkride item. You learn to love them. Check out the VOR-A at KBIS...

. Maybe Mark should try that one while at SIMCOM!

Username Protected · **Posted:** 07 Mar 2018, 10:18

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[circling approaches] Heh...in the 135 organization I fly the C90 for, they are a regular checkride item.

The MU2 program requires performing engine out circle to land, something no one should ever do for real in any airplane given it combines two dangerous situations (circling, engine out) into one.

Mike C.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 07 Mar 2018, 11:34

OEI CTL ... never asked to do one on CJ2 checkrides at FSI, CAR or Tru. Been allowed to use AP on CTL and drive the plane around in ALT hold and HDG bug until get visual on landing runway and leave MDA. That is the recommended procedure.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 07 Mar 2018, 12:38

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He did laugh out loud when I made my final landing and went into beta pitch (thereby shutting off both engines. I have nearly 3000 hours in AC90s. Some things just die hard.

I flew for a charter company early eighties. We had to do a quick crew change at JFK, just swapping captains. We arrived in a Merlin IIIB, captain jumped out, and into a waiting, running Lear 24.... He immediately took it off the start locks. Too many days in the Merlin... shut down both engines on the Lear.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 07 Mar 2018, 16:19

Username Protected wrote:

[circling approaches] Heh...in the 135 organization I fly the C90 for, they are a regular checkride item.

The MU2 program requires performing engine out circle to land, something no one should ever do for real in any airplane given it combines two dangerous situations (circling, engine out) into one.

Mike C.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 07 Mar 2018, 16:40

I hope you guys keep posting in these jet threads. I'll never fly one let alone own one but I do enjoy reading about it.

You're all pretty good writers too. Keep it coming.

Dave

Username Protected · **Posted:** 07 Mar 2018, 17:19

Not flying a jet here, but feel risks are too high in all high performance aircraft to fly an actual circle to land. If flown it should only be attempted when it’s been trained for and ceiling is ~500’ above normal pattern altitude with good visibility and never at night. If the need arrives to perform a CTL in sketchy weather I’d hope everyone reading here would believe it was an emergency! Last choice.

Most of the comments made in prior posts, I believe, are discussing practice in the sim. Great place to fly a CTL, the sim. Airlines Ops don’t fly them anymore for several reasons all related to safety.

MOSWMOR

My opinion stated without malice or recrimination

Username Protected · **Posted:** 07 Mar 2018, 17:38

I do a CTL in every recurrent at FSI. Ceiling is critical, but it amazes me how low the circling minimums can be, such as 467' agl for the RNAV 14 at Wichita. In reality, I'm not circling with a 500' ceiling anywhere.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 07 Mar 2018, 17:48

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I circled in shitty WX at SDL last week. I know the airport and surrounding terrain pretty well and I didn't like circling. Circling in conditions near minimums "feels" like the most dangerous approved thing we can do in an airplane. I'm not sure so the feeling of danger and the actual danger are that much different.

Flying downwind at 650' AGL is not natural when you are used to 1500'.

At my home airport circling is only approved for a right downwind. You never train for circling to right hand patterns. :eek:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 07 Mar 2018, 20:30

Actual Night CTL at KDPA in Citation 550

[youtube]https://youtu.be/DrLL8U4FswE[/youtube]

Username Protected · **Posted:** 07 Mar 2018, 20:44

Sim session 2 complete.

Three start failures : hung, hot, starter won't disengage (have to get out and disconnect battery to fix a stuck starter)
Thruster deployed on take off.
Icing condition ops
Air duct overheat
Electrical fire
Blown out window, emergency descent from FL280
ILS 4L
Engine flame out at FAF
AP fail
Missed approach Single eng
RV VOR 4R (hand flown primary info, engine out) to full stop
V1 cut at V1 +3 knts
Hand fly to ILS4R raw data,
Manual gear extension
Brake failure on landing
Depart 4R
Dual inverter failure
Hand fly ILS 4R in emer (using copilot instruments and peanut gyro)
Windshear on departure
Blown tire at 60 knots on depature
Blown tire at rotation
Visual 31L with left main blown

Systems review
Written test

Username Protected · **Posted:** 07 Mar 2018, 21:12

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At my home airport circling is only approved for a right downwind. You never train for circling to right hand patterns. :eek:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 07 Mar 2018, 21:24

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At CAE I usually get JFK LOC 22L circle to 31L during CE-500 single pilot recurrent.

Yep. 1st sim session.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 07 Mar 2018, 21:57

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I hope you guys keep posting in these jet threads. I'll never fly one let alone own one but I do enjoy reading about it.

You're all pretty good writers too. Keep it coming.

Dave

....Unless Mark gets you in the cockpit. Then its not long before you are hooked.

Flying the Citation II