https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIAI-Marchetti_SM.1019

I have repaired a few L-19's, Bird Dog, Cessna 305............whatever variant a person may refer to. But I have never even stood close the Marchetti, until today. I would like to speak to someone familiar with these rare birds, especially the tail feathers. I'm working on a repair bid and would like to speak to someone who has experience/knowledge of these aircraft. No prop strike, so no info needed there..........in fact the aircraft is ferryable with some temporary repairs. But I'll need to buy or rebuild the horizontal stab and the right elevator. Wing and aileron are no problem. Please PM, or reply here............. or tap on that Mountain Airframe ad to your right and call me. Thanks in advance! What a damn incredible aircraft!
Del

Del,
You might want to give Steve Noyes a shout. I spoken to him a few times about my Bird Dog. He's been very helpful. He might know where to look.

You can also try Air-Repair. They specialize in Bird Dog parts. Pete Jones would be the guy to talk to. They've also been very helpful. I've ordered quite a bit of Stearman and BirdDog stuff from them.

http://www.birddogsbynoyes.com/

http://www.airrepairinc.com/

Those turboprop bird dogs must be spectacular to fly.

Dave

Thanks. I know Pete. The tail feathers are entirely different than a Bird Dog. It's a "square tail" similar to a Ag Wagon or 185, instead of a "sexy round tail" typical of the familiar Bird Dogs which are similar to the Cessna 170 and 195. Pete said "good luck".

Cessna made a square tail version too. Noyes uses that square tail on his SuperDogs. I think the SIAI tail is even larger but I'm not sure. Good luck with the search.
Dave


Thanks. I know Pete. The tail feathers are entirely different than a Bird Dog. It's a "square tail" similar to a Ag Wagon or 185, instead of a "sexy round tail" typical of the familiar Bird Dogs which are similar to the Cessna 170 and 195. Pete said "good luck".

David,
I think you've given me the clue I've been looking for. Thanks!

I've been thinking about it. The regular birddogs like mine have the 195 tail. The bigger tail was taken from the 185's - I think. Still, it looks a bit shorter than the SIAI tail. Could a 185 tail be modified? Is the SIAI in the experimental exhibition category? That might simplify things.

Good luck!!!

Del I forget the name of the guy, but he runs a shop just outside Clinton AR at the private airpark.

He does a lot of Viet Nam vintage aircraft and several are on the field. If I recall correctly, he may own a bit dog.

I went and looked at buying in the airpark and he was one resident I spoke with.


May be worth a call.

I know who you are talking about, but can't recall his name either. I bet someone at Dawson will know. Great idea, thanks!

Here is what I'm talking about. The Super Dog II has 185 or 188 tail feathers as shown on the website David referenced above

This Marchetti I inspected yesterday looks like this

can we see pic of entire Marchetti?

looks kind sinister...

I need permission from the owner first, but it was in a T-hangar and the doors were iced shut. I couldn't get far enough away to get the whole aircraft in one shot

I follow this guy on youtube who flies a PC-12 and one of these out of his private field in the southern alps somewhere. This little plane looks like great fun and safety.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kf5mhRPIkws

Question I've always wondered: Is the Marchetti 'Bird Dog' actually an L19 with a turbine, or was it created as a totally new airframe?

Curious minds want to know!

Robert

I'm not the one to answer this question with complete accuracy, but the best I could tell is the fuselage is the same. The basic wing structure appears the same, except 2 fuel tanks in each wing (and this Marchetti also had Flint tanks inside the outboard part of the wing). It appears the wing box section skins are .025" instead of .020", and rivet spacing is closer in some areas. I would guess the wings use the heavier extruded upper spar cap.
At first glance, the most obvious differences are the tail feathers; large "square tail" instead of the 170/195 round tail, and both elevators have trim tabs instead of right only. The right aileron has a moveable tab, but I'm not sure if it is a servo, anti-servo, or trim. Hard to see in the photo above, but the tab on the rudder is not a fixed tab; it is moveable but again not sure if it is servo/anti-servo, or trim.
This particular aircraft is experimental category, so I'm not certain how much of what noticed is original configuration, or subsequent alterations. Overall, it appears more robust than the L-19. I hope to learn more soon

Like this?

Hey Mike,
I was just searching BT and noticed you posted this picture a while back
download/file.php?id=198578&mode=view

You can see the aileron tab, and the tail feathers on the aircraft you posted look the same as the aircraft I'm bidding repair. Do you know anything about this aircraft/owner, maybe some contact info?
The owner of this Marchetti I'm inspecting mentioned he flies to Idaho every year to participate in back country flying. Said the meet up spot was just west of the Teton's