BeechTalk - BT - Airplane Purchase Research: Pressurized Twin Options

Username Protected · **Posted:** 02 Feb 2018, 12:37

Does 8 passengers mean 8 souls on board or pilot plus 8. How big will the smallest two be?

As noted above no pressurized piston twin does the mission described (nowhere close)

For realistic options you need to ease a few specs by 50% (or get a Navajo)

Username Protected · **Posted:** 02 Feb 2018, 12:41

If there is a plane than could do all that for that price, I’ll buy one too.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 02 Feb 2018, 12:47

Username Protected wrote:

If there is a plane than could do all that for that price, I’ll buy one too.

Me too.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 02 Feb 2018, 12:54

There is a plane that can do it - Turbo Commander. Less than 2000ft takeoff, 1500nm range, can seat up to 8, can be had for sub $550K.

Case closed.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 02 Feb 2018, 13:02

Username Protected wrote:

There is a plane that can do it - Turbo Commander. Less than 2000ft takeoff, 1500nm range, can seat up to 8, can be had for sub $550K.

Case closed.

It can take off from a 2,000' strip with 8 people and full fuel? If so, that's impressive.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 02 Feb 2018, 13:41

I missed the 8 people... if that doesn't include the pilot I can't think of anything that would work.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 02 Feb 2018, 13:43

Username Protected wrote:

There is a plane that can do it - Turbo Commander. Less than 2000ft takeoff, 1500nm range, can seat up to 8, can be had for sub $550K.

Case closed.

I know I'm a bit rusty on Commanders... but how do you get the 8 people for that budget?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 02 Feb 2018, 13:43

Username Protected wrote:

There is a plane that can do it - Turbo Commander. Less than 2000ft takeoff, 1500nm range, can seat up to 8, can be had for sub $550K.

Case closed.

It can take off from a 2,000' strip with 8 people and full fuel? If so, that's impressive.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 02 Feb 2018, 13:46

The commanders have club plus 3 place bsck bench, cockpit, belted potty

Not workable, as noted, for pilot plus 8.

Not comfortable for much over an hour at best

How about a kA300?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 02 Feb 2018, 13:50

Requiring “All weather” knocks out any pistons IMO

Username Protected · **Posted:** 02 Feb 2018, 14:00

Username Protected wrote:

...Can the 4 least-important people fly commercial?

Or the four most important? :hide:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 02 Feb 2018, 14:02

Username Protected wrote:

There is a plane that can do it - Turbo Commander. Less than 2000ft takeoff, 1500nm range, can seat up to 8, can be had for sub $550K.

Case closed.

8 passengers, so 9 people
edit: i see i'm late to the party

Username Protected · **Posted:** 02 Feb 2018, 14:03

Username Protected wrote:

Jason the Pilatus was my first recommendation during our initial conversation. However, he prefers a second engine. I tried to explain to him the legendary reliability of the PT-6 to no avail!

This logic is so insane..... 8 people on a 40 year old, sub $500K piston twin = safe because it has 2 motors?

You put 8 folks on a plane like that and you're asking for trouble.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 02 Feb 2018, 14:28

Every plane is a compromise, so pick the plane that meets 75% of your objectives.

My 1980 421C with a 2350 pound useful load can meet most of them. I just finished running a set of factory new engines out to 1700 hours without a single cancelled trip or AOG situation. The engines are still running perfect and will be replaced in April.

A 2500 foot runway is not a problem under gross and without any significant approach or departure obstacles.

If you buy and older “turbine or piston”Pressurized twin the reliability “will not” be there if there is ANY deferred MX. Most planes in this category usually have a lot of deferred MX.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 02 Feb 2018, 17:55

I did not infer from his posting that the needed to go 1200nm with 8 people.

But even if that was the case, a Turbo Commander can takeoff at MTOW from 2000ft and useful load on a Jetprop 840 is typically around 3600lbs. With 8x 170lbs people you have 2200lbs for fuel, which would equate around 1300nm with no reserves. So in the ballpark.

Here are the various specs for the Jetprop series: