Hey, good point, you're right:

Runway 12/30
Dimensions: 2600 x 75 ft. / 792 x 23 m
Surface: asphalt, in good condition
Weight bearing capacity: Single wheel: 12.5

Now, can you help me with that cost issue too?

So what's your delivery date I'll bet they have a terrific trade-up program.

George

(Can't quite tell if you're serious or being sarcastic...)

Please note I didn't say I didn't like the incremental gains... I'd get one if I could afford it!

And also to weed out any initial production issues that might arise. Very smart strategy.

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The charter guys that run the Phenoms and CJ's have orders the PC24.

Planesense has also already taken delivery of their PC24's. I think it's the ultimate plane for a charter op.[/quote]

Not yet. Hopefully January 2018

Come on, you really think you can get that jet in 2600'?



Hey, good point, you're right:

Runway 12/30
Dimensions: 2600 x 75 ft. / 792 x 23 m
Surface: asphalt, in good condition
Weight bearing capacity: Single wheel: 12.5

Now, can you help me with that cost issue too?

Yep. Had the good fortune to sit in the blue test bed and visit with the test pilot at DTO back in September. Light Vref is 80 knots, heavy is about 100 knots. He assured me he could get in and out of 2,000' when lightly loaded.
He also made the comment that any PC12 pilot could transition into the jet after a quick 1 hour familiarization flight ( of course you still need the type rating).
Complete game changer for unimproved airports around the world.

Im curious to see how insurance company like the idea of a 9million dollar jet landing on anything other than pavement.

Physically or legally? I'm pretty sure the latter is probably more challenging, but probably do-able at partial fuel loads.

Here is someone who sees what Pilatus sees.

Go to the 7min mark

[youtube]https://youtu.be/6d8YXwWiJ1I[/youtube]

Don’t think I’ve ever seen flaps like that on a GA aircraft.

Generally, getting out is much more the issue than getting in. Many jets can get in and stopped in 2600’, the list of those that can get out is much shorter.

It will all depend on the risk and I’m betting they won’t allow landing off pavement without additional premiums. I’m guessing some of the foreign air ambulance operators will be the first to go off pavement. They will demonstrate the risk level and insurance companies will loosen restrictions if the risk proves low.

The insurance companies didn’t like the PC12 at first, I suppose because it was a lot of seats in a single engine and there was nothing else like it in the market. It was hard to get insurance or it was very expensive. Now, it’s easy to get insurance at low rates.

I think the bigger challenge might be how tight the owner/flown single-pilot turbine market respects a $9m+ hull is getting. Even with $5m+ hulls the marketspace right now is not very broad and the belt is tightening a bit as others have eluded to. We have had a market depart and a merger all within the last 12 months. Obviously there are still underwriting options but not as many as there were 2-3 years ago. The high hull value of the PC24, P300 and even CJ4 poses a bit of an underwriting challenge for the lower overall jet time owner pilot or even an owner pilot transitioning from a TP into their first jet.

I did a few HondaJets this past quarter in the $5m ish hull range for owner/pilots coming from turbo-props and the underwriting options were just a couple. There is no question the 9M+ hull range owner/flown jet in the current insurance market is going to pose challenges for some insurers/reinsurers.