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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread.  Posted: 29 Nov 2017, 10:27 |
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I wish I owned something like that VW. It would fit in perfect where I live. Check out the prices on the VW busses with the roof windows, crazy!
No I drive a 2006 1 ton extended wheelbase Chevy conversion van with 225k on it.
My kids say it’s my pervert mobile. I have had three of them over the last 20 years to haul kids around.
Now it’s just me and my St Bernard.
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 29 Nov 2017, 11:03 |
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Username Protected wrote: A buddy of mine was just showing me the pics of his VW Thing. So cool to think about having one of these down by the beach. I'd want an old beat-up on rather than something perfect. No sire, you spiff it up man.......The Thing's are awesome. I want a VW Bus.......but as Steve notes, they're frigging outrageously expensive..........but way cool.......
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 29 Nov 2017, 12:15 |
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Username Protected wrote: I wish I owned something like that VW. It would fit in perfect where I live. Check out the prices on the VW busses with the roof windows, crazy!
No I drive a 2006 1 ton extended wheelbase Chevy conversion van with 225k on it.
My kids say it’s my pervert mobile. I have had three of them over the last 20 years to haul kids around.
Now it’s just me and my St Bernard. Ha - nice Fahrvergnügen from Penman! Vans are practical - only suspicious if paint job says “free candy” or “puppies.” 
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 29 Nov 2017, 17:54 |
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Username Protected wrote:
I simply used Adam's numbers:
I know, I was pointing out that unfortunately his numbers are wrong.......review them one more time, you'll catch his error..........he's doing his division the wrong way 
This was on a 5000nm fictional trip. Not sure the numbers are the same for other trips. What's wrong with them?
Depreciation? Yes. A lot? Well, with an under $1 million aircraft (like many of the earliest models now cost), there's only so much less it can depreciate.
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 29 Nov 2017, 18:04 |
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Username Protected wrote: What's wrong with them?
You're taking total gallons burned and dividing by avg hrly cruise speed? What number is that?
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 29 Nov 2017, 18:17 |
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Username Protected wrote: What's wrong with them?
You're taking total gallons burned and dividing by avg hrly cruise speed? What number is that?
It's the Fly Different number! 
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 29 Nov 2017, 18:31 |
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Username Protected wrote: You're taking total gallons burned and dividing by avg hrly cruise speed?
What number is that? It's the Fly Different number!
on a positive note it does burn a fair bit less than at CJ3
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 29 Nov 2017, 18:34 |
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If P180 were $4.9MM new and had a Garmin it would outsell PC12 IMO. "if your aunt had balls she'd be your uncle". 
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 29 Nov 2017, 18:43 |
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Username Protected wrote: If P180 were $4.9MM new and had a Garmin it would outsell PC12 IMO. Still too strange, I think.
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 29 Nov 2017, 19:19 |
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Username Protected wrote: Would be interesting to know how a Garrett powered version would have performed. Faster and cheaper. Go -14!
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 29 Nov 2017, 21:34 |
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Username Protected wrote: Would be interesting to know how a Garrett powered version would have performed. Interesting too, to speculate regarding their noise signature then. The current Avantis' noise comes from their props. Are they still noisey standing still? Would Garrets make much difference then, or just make the external noise less variable? Ashley
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