I predict that within one year Mike will be an aircraft broker, selling (real) jets... his sales pitch "Look what an airplane you can buy for the price of an SF-50!"

Let's see what can you buy for $2m...

Most any Citation V / Ultra

A Citation CJ1+

Basically any Premier or Beechjet... a Hawker 400XP

Most any Hawker... period.

A Gulfstream G-IV!!! Who in the heck would buy a Cirrus instead of a G-IV?

This is fun, ya'll join in... what would you buy for $2mil smooth?

Multiple investment houses, so I can retire.

Tim

Interesting conversation with a friend yesterday, centering around this subject. He said he had all those objections to the Cirrus jet until he sat in one at Oshkosh, and then he decided that they'd sell the pee out of them, because they're nice planes. Just that simple. I think he has a point.

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One of my old college chums is a tolerably successful fellow, who has worked his way up from SR20 (first year) to SR22 (G2) to (now) an SR22 Turbo. He has a pretty good delivery position for the Cirrus jet, but he's not going to get it (uncertain whether he has sold his position, or what). He is, instead, buying and Eclipse 550, with the certainty of getting the Canada when it's rolled out.

I wouldn't know; I like my millions rough.

Eclipse wins! 2800 SOLD!

Eclipse is less broken than the SF50, and look where they are now...

Mike C.

Just another guy arguing on the internet?

So what plane would you recommend to someone if they wanted a NEW plane and had 2 - 2.5 million budget?

So what plane would you recommend to someone if they wanted a NEW plane and had 2 - 2.5 million budget?

Well atleast no one is complaining about it being composite - so I guess Cirrus has passed that imaginary hurdle.

It’s a cool bird, I’d love to own one. Single pilot, fits in a small hangar, 3x faster than my current steed. Someone has to find new frontiers.

Peace,
Don

If your argument had merit, you wouldn't feel the need to lie about what I have said.

You will not find any place where I said the SF50 can't be certified, or that it can't get a production certificate. In fact, you will find that I have said the SF50, unlike many other SEJ projects, WILL get certified precisely because the design goals were modest, mainly seeking a very low operational ceiling for a jet because it was a single. That low ceiling is what cripples the plane and makes a twin jet a far better airplane in every respect.

Mike C.

Over the lifetime of owning the SF50, you will not save enough time on 450 nm flights over an SR22 to break even on initial and yearly type training required.

You are looking at 30 minutes difference per leg at most. It may even be negative some days for the SF50 depending on circumstances and winds.

For a 450 nm flight, you will be burning huge amounts of fuel since most of it will be at low altitude.

Can you imagine if Cirrus had used this logic on the SR22? Hey, Cessna 182 pilots tend to fly mostly on legs less than 2 hours, so let's make the SR22 be about 160 knots and have only 300 nm range. How lame would that be?

Mike C.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eclipse_500

"Number built 260"

You said "sales", are you backpedaling to change that to "built" now?

You are very unreliable in the reporting of facts or the views of others. Why do you even post obviously wrong stuff like that?

Mike C.

The SF50 is definitely a "gateway drug" for a real jet.

As soon as there is any real numbers of them, their owners are going to get promo materials from real jet makers, if not already.

No real jet maker wants to build an SEJ, but they are all excited to see a new class of jet pilots frustrated by a crippled SEJ and looking for something better.

Not ONE real jet maker started an SEJ project, which should tell you something. Only piston makers and hopeless startups did that.

Mike C.

Tell them to invest that money and then buy a real jet in 5 years.

They can't get a new SF50 faster than that, and there's a good chance an SF50 ordered today never gets delivered.

Mike C.

If your argument had merit, you wouldn't feel the need to lie about what I have said.

You will not find any place where I said the SF50 can't be certified, or that it can't get a production certificate. In fact, you will find that I have said the SF50, unlike many other SEJ projects, WILL get certified precisely because the design goals were modest, mainly seeking a very low operational ceiling for a jet because it was a single. That low ceiling is what cripples the plane and makes a twin jet a far better airplane in every respect.

Mike C.