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 Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II
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What are the rules for supplemental oxygen when sie pilot? Above what altitude is it required?


Sec. 91.211 — Supplemental oxygen.

(a) General. No person may operate a civil aircraft of U.S. registry—
(1) At cabin pressure altitudes above 12,500 feet (MSL) up to and including 14,000 feet (MSL) unless the required minimum flight crew is provided with and uses supplemental oxygen for that part of the flight at those altitudes that is of more than 30 minutes duration;

(2) At cabin pressure altitudes above 14,000 feet (MSL) unless the required minimum flight crew is provided with and uses supplemental oxygen during the entire flight time at those altitudes; and

(3) At cabin pressure altitudes above 15,000 feet (MSL) unless each occupant of the aircraft is provided with supplemental oxygen.

(b) Pressurized cabin aircraft.

(1) No person may operate a civil aircraft of U.S. registry with a pressurized cabin—

(i) At flight altitudes above flight level 250 unless at least a 10-minute supply of supplemental oxygen, in addition to any oxygen required to satisfy paragraph (a) of this section, is available for each occupant of the aircraft for use in the event that a descent is necessitated by loss of cabin pressurization; and

(ii) At flight altitudes above flight level 350 unless one pilot at the controls of the airplane is wearing and using an oxygen mask that is secured and sealed and that either supplies oxygen at all times or automatically supplies oxygen whenever the cabin pressure altitude of the airplane exceeds 14,000 feet (MSL), except that the one pilot need not wear and use an oxygen mask while at or below flight level 410 if there are two pilots at the controls and each pilot has a quick-donning type of oxygen mask that can be placed on the face with one hand from the ready position within 5 seconds, supplying oxygen and properly secured and sealed.

(2) Notwithstanding paragraph (b)(1)(ii) of this section, if for any reason at any time it is necessary for one pilot to leave the controls of the aircraft when operating at flight altitudes above flight level 350, the remaining pilot at the controls shall put on and use an oxygen mask until the other pilot has returned to that crewmember's station.

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 Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II
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What are the rules for supplemental oxygen when sie pilot? Above what altitude is it required?


Sec. 91.211 — Supplemental oxygen.

(a) General. No person may operate a civil aircraft of U.S. registry—
(1) At cabin pressure altitudes above 12,500 feet (MSL) up to and including 14,000 feet (MSL) unless the required minimum flight crew is provided with and uses supplemental oxygen for that part of the flight at those altitudes that is of more than 30 minutes duration;

(2) At cabin pressure altitudes above 14,000 feet (MSL) unless the required minimum flight crew is provided with and uses supplemental oxygen during the entire flight time at those altitudes; and

(3) At cabin pressure altitudes above 15,000 feet (MSL) unless each occupant of the aircraft is provided with supplemental oxygen.

(b) Pressurized cabin aircraft.

(1) No person may operate a civil aircraft of U.S. registry with a pressurized cabin—

(i) At flight altitudes above flight level 250 unless at least a 10-minute supply of supplemental oxygen, in addition to any oxygen required to satisfy paragraph (a) of this section, is available for each occupant of the aircraft for use in the event that a descent is necessitated by loss of cabin pressurization; and

(ii) At flight altitudes above flight level 350 unless one pilot at the controls of the airplane is wearing and using an oxygen mask that is secured and sealed and that either supplies oxygen at all times or automatically supplies oxygen whenever the cabin pressure altitude of the airplane exceeds 14,000 feet (MSL), except that the one pilot need not wear and use an oxygen mask while at or below flight level 410 if there are two pilots at the controls and each pilot has a quick-donning type of oxygen mask that can be placed on the face with one hand from the ready position within 5 seconds, supplying oxygen and properly secured and sealed.

(2) Notwithstanding paragraph (b)(1)(ii) of this section, if for any reason at any time it is necessary for one pilot to leave the controls of the aircraft when operating at flight altitudes above flight level 350, the remaining pilot at the controls shall put on and use an oxygen mask until the other pilot has returned to that crewmember's station.


Knew about those thanks. I just didn't know if anything changed when when you're the only crew member.
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 Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II
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Significant line of storms along route of flight. Tops to 500.


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 Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II
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Which led to a GPS19 at KSAW...ATC said get below the overcast at 5k and you should get a visual. Nope...500ovc and 10miles.

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Hmmm. I think you guys are bored. Yes...all is well with blondie. Last night at Dback vs Brewers.


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 Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II
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So my last two weather line stuff didn't get much feedback. Too boring?

What is it you would like to see?

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These are some of the best "real life" flying videos I have seen. They give an accurate portrayal of what's it is like flying single pilot in complex situations in an airplane that is covering alot of real estate. You do a very nice job.

An observation and comment. I read on BT all the time people saying, "A turbine is so much easier to fly than a piston." No it's not. Single pilot workload is VERY high. You are earning your keep on every flight. Sprinkle in real life passenger distractions and it's a challenge. Keep them coming. :clap:

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Took Red Bo down to minimums a few times myself in Marquette. Hard to put in to words, but somehow it is a little easier knowing there is a 12,000 ft runway waiting for you (assuming you know where you and you have synviz). Same in a jet?

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Took Red Bo down to minimums a few times myself in Marquette. Hard to put in to words, but somehow it is a little easier knowing there is a 12,000 ft runway waiting for you (assuming you know where you and you have synviz). Same in a jet?


Home field advantage has its perks. That it is 12,000 feet? Priceless! Nothing rushed.

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Not boring at all! I was impressed at holding MDA till a bit of runway in sight. iPad tossed, continue flying!
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Not boring at all! I was impressed at holding MDA till a bit of runway in sight. iPad tossed, continue flying!
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Yeah. Another 5 seconds and I was going around. A complicating factor was a cell on the missed that was painting extreme rain. Would have required a deviation. Which is a complication that you'd prefer not to deal with at that moment.

Pretty amazing how good the viz was 50 feet lower. As mentioned, a 12,000 foot runway is a real bonus in this situation. Chance to make chicken salad out of ykw if you see it late.

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These are some of the best "real life" flying videos I have seen. They give an accurate portrayal of what's it is like flying single pilot in complex situations in an airplane that is covering alot of real estate. You do a very nice job.

An observation and comment. I read on BT all the time people saying, "A turbine is so much easier to fly than a piston." No it's not. Single pilot workload is VERY high. You are earning your keep on every flight. Sprinkle in real life passenger distractions and it's a challenge. Keep them coming. :clap:


I believe that depends on the piston. Managing a 421 single pilot IMC is a handful. The guy who sold me mine went to a CJ1, then a CJ3, and his take is its much lower workload. Weather can be topped (straight to 450 in the CJ3), throttles can be jockeyed (not monitoring 12 cylinders and have a master caution to wake you up), the FMS is your copilot. In an emergency you've got power to spare. Things do happen twice as fast...and I personally can't make the comparison based on the couple of jet rides I've enjoyed.

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These are some of the best "real life" flying videos I have seen. They give an accurate portrayal of what's it is like flying single pilot in complex situations in an airplane that is covering alot of real estate. You do a very nice job.

An observation and comment. I read on BT all the time people saying, "A turbine is so much easier to fly than a piston." No it's not. Single pilot workload is VERY high. You are earning your keep on every flight. Sprinkle in real life passenger distractions and it's a challenge. Keep them coming. :clap:


I believe that depends on the piston. Managing a 421 single pilot IMC is a handful. The guy who sold me mine went to a CJ1, then a CJ3, and his take is its much lower workload. Weather can be topped (straight to 450 in the CJ3), throttles can be jockeyed (not monitoring 12 cylinders and have a master caution to wake you up), the FMS is your copilot. In an emergency you've got power to spare. Things do happen twice as fast...and I personally can't make the comparison based on the couple of jet rides I've enjoyed.


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All true. The jet can reduce the pilot workload for all the reasons you said. The issue of course, as you point out) is speed. 1 minute equals between 6 and 8 miles. Descending or climbing at 3000-10,000 feet a minute can be challenging. Your mind has to be way out in front. Here is a stat for you....in 30 years of flying pistons and turboprops I never filed a NASA report. In 2 years in the jet I have filled 8! All related to speed (as in things are happening fast). In fact, there was one NASA I recently filed where speed hurt me in a different kind of way. I was on a STAR (RNAV). I was waaaayyyy out in front of the aircraft. So far in front I was dwelling in the mind of the controller. I was certain I knew what he wanted me to do and when he issued a Descend Via clearance I made his words fit the narrative that I had created. I was wrong and had an altitude deviation. Absolutely a byproduct of the speed of the aircraft,

I would also say that RNAV STARS and SIDS are pretty complex and something you don't get in pistons.
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Hmmm. I think you guys are bored. Yes...all is well with blondie. Last night at Dback vs Brewers.

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