BeechTalk - BT

Username Protected · **Posted:** 05 Jun 2017, 14:44

Username Protected wrote:

Thanks for sharing. Quite the adventure for such a short and simple flight.

Have you found the reason for the comm issues?

Contact cleaner on the PPT. Really more of a slide to talk.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 05 Jun 2017, 15:14

Username Protected wrote:

Re 91.185. So my intuition was correct. That's good. Trying to remember 91.185 was not second nature given all that was going on. Not mush mind per se but your mind doesn't recall things as easily when $hit be going down.

Mark,

Maybe this might help...For 91.185 the short acronym we (USAF) had to memorize way back in the day was "AVE F" & "MEA"

"Avenue F" or "AVE F" was for flying the route (in order):
A = Assigned
V = Vectored
E = Expected
F = Filed

"MEA" was for the altitude (the higher of):

M = MEA
E = Expected
A = Assigned

Cheers!

Mike

Username Protected · **Posted:** 05 Jun 2017, 15:42

Nice job, Mark. Good reactions and good resourcefulness. I landed at LAX yesterday, and when I was intercepting the localizer 36nm out in a line of airliners, I said to myself, "OK, what if I lose communications between here and there?" It's always a good mental exercise to have that plan ready. You done good.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 05 Jun 2017, 15:55

Always an issue to work with co-pilots side when in the left seat and avionics are all different. Those slide switches seem to always have issues. Hopefully, a hand mike was also somewhere close. Even when you get the co-pilot side working, it's difficult to reach over for short guys like me :sad:

Glad you worked it out. SP, I always worried about something happening to someone in back and not being able to do anything about it, but I mostly flew family and friends.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 05 Jun 2017, 16:24

Username Protected wrote:

Re 91.185. So my intuition was correct. That's good. Trying to remember 91.185 was not second nature given all that was going on. Not mush mind per se but your mind doesn't recall things as easily when $hit be going down.

I'd love to claim that this was intuitive for me, but in fact it's such an unusual situation that I'd have been scrambling too. It's nice to have a refresher now and again.

Quote:

Another comment...the copilot headset wasn't plugged in. Problem is there are spring loaded metal covers over the sockets. You also can't see how big each plug is. So imagine reaching across the copilot seat to the right side armrest. Lifting the cover and plugging the jack in. Can't be done one handed. Can't be done by feel. Short answer is if headset isn't plugged in a simple fix becomes a cluster.

I remember those; the plugs are vertical in the arm rest, so they have covers to keep crap out of them (I have no idea what Cessna was thinking). Definitely a two handed operation under any circumstances. It's times like those that I don't envy single pilot operators.

Well done.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 05 Jun 2017, 20:36

And yes there is a video
[youtube]https://youtu.be/WBNwxIDhcn8[/youtube]

Username Protected · **Posted:** 05 Jun 2017, 22:33

Reported 100 & 1/4. Departure. Probably a little better than that.

[youtube]https://youtu.be/CS0A-T3GyFc[/youtube]

Username Protected · **Posted:** 06 Jun 2017, 05:53

Username Protected wrote:

And yes there is a video
[youtube]https://youtu.be/WBNwxIDhcn8[/youtube]

Was that the gear horn about half way through ? Or some other chime?

Andrew

Username Protected · **Posted:** 06 Jun 2017, 06:34

Username Protected wrote:

And yes there is a video
[youtube]https://youtu.be/WBNwxIDhcn8[/youtube]

Was that the gear horn about half way through ? Or some other chime?

Andrew

Username Protected · **Posted:** 06 Jun 2017, 06:57

Love your videos.
Always learn something.
Your radio comm loss made me think.
Not something I routinely train for.
I will now.
These short flights often have a heavy workload.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 06 Jun 2017, 08:03

Having watched the video it's obvious (never mind correct) that staying VFR was the right thing to do. Leaving those conditions to try to fly a NORDO approach to minimums would just be dumb.

Something else for us all to be aware of in a situation like this: The reason for the Comms failure could be a stuck mike. Just because you can't hear them doesn't mean that they can't hear you. That can work in your favor if you consider it, or be very embarrassing if not and you start "thinking out loud". :oops:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 06 Jun 2017, 10:14

Username Protected wrote:

Something else for us all to be aware of in a situation like this: The reason for the Comms failure could be a stuck mike. Just because you can't hear them doesn't mean that they can't hear you. That can work in your favor if you consider it, or be very embarrassing if not and you start "thinking out loud". :oops:

Funny. First thing that went through my mind when I watch the video. What if... :oops:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 06 Jun 2017, 10:17

You're story should be a test question on a FAA exam. Nice job!

Another thing to consider, if the FOs mic did not solve the problem try your cell phone.

I had a radio failure and ended using my cell phone, it worked great.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 06 Jun 2017, 10:26

Username Protected wrote:

You're story should be a test question on a FAA exam. Nice job!

Another thing to consider, if the FOs mic did not solve the problem try your cell phone.

I had a radio failure and ended using my cell phone, it worked great.

Yes. But think about how you would find the number. Really should have center numbers on a PDF on iPad.

Otherwise it would be a goat rodeo

Username Protected · **Posted:** 06 Jun 2017, 10:49

Username Protected wrote:

You're story should be a test question on a FAA exam. Nice job!

Another thing to consider, if the FOs mic did not solve the problem try your cell phone.

I had a radio failure and ended using my cell phone, it worked great.

Yes. But think about how you would find the number. Really should have center numbers on a PDF on iPad.

Otherwise it would be a goat rodeo

Flying the Citation II