Definitely not old hat. That airport can get a squirrely on you pretty quickly. It's amazing how much better the weather always is in Montrose. John, you've flown the Baron in there in some pretty hairy winds too, but you had Olivia with you

Mark and Ken have a much high workload than myself in the PC12 simply because I'm slower and require far less runway. If I've picked up ice then game changes substantially.

If it's IMC I'm now always requesting a descent west of CONES, or even ECNOF as that is closer to the valley and if you can get below the weather without picking up ice, it makes the approach into tRide a little easier.

RNAV Z now has MDA at 10640......

I used to go into TEX fairly often. If I didn't have the runway in sight at the VOR, we went to Montrose. I never did the pattern to RWY 27, but the C550 is a bit more nimble than the Beechjet. I had friends that did it, but I am a wuss.

Michael --

Wow, I just googled for Telluride airport and watched a Gulfstream shoe-horn it in there. Now I know what you are talking about. I didn't realize it was perched up on a cliff like that.

I'd hate to get a significant downdraft on short final.

Lots of stories and a video of a flight today from
KSDL to kslc then klas.

Post later.

Here is a photo of ice that formed on the wing roots and the top of the wings. This ice formed AFTER we landed. We had to de-ice. First time in 30 some years.

Who knows what happened? PS it was 47F on ground

Yup, it's one of the reason we're always asking for winds. You purposefully stay a little high. That's what Mark and Ken do. In the PC12 its a lot less of an issue. I'm down and stopped in 2000ft.

Telluride is actually a very nice runway to fly into when the weather is behaving.......also there are a few options when it's not. I would recommend it to anyone want to fly in there.

@Mark, on that icing, was the wing super cool and when moisture hit it, it just froze?

Yes. The fuel was cold soaked. It was quite moist in the area. But since is was 47 deg I never thought twice. My SIC caught it. $214 service

Interesting day. 4:30am wake up for a 6am flight to KSLC. Wound up shooting my first LDA ever to minimums. Moderate turbulence, moderate ice, heavy rain, canceled approach clearance then reissued, mountains both sides, 20 knot tailwind until 200 feet then a 180 shift in wind. Plus a hydraulic warning light. I literally could not handle one more thing. Unfortunately the camera was in my flight bag. This is the approach plate. Very busy.

Then we flew to Vegas and had a go around due to a 35 knot 60 degree crosswind. Was a busy day.

My SIC is a former 777 Captain. My next door neighbor. Not current but still sharp. Watch how we do it. Cool customer
[youtube]https://youtu.be/jRfl9klJ9xk[/youtube]

LOL. I had it the other way. I had taken a light plane hiatus for awhile while flying jets. The first few weeks back in the old 172 were punctuated by calls of "Hawker... er... SKYhawk 12345 ready to taxi."

John I saw your video before I got to this part of the thread. You looked fine and it sure brought back memories of some great times flying. Mark: Muggin' for the Virb made me laugh. I knew you were thinking of us.

I love this thread.

Ha. John and I discussed the potential CrashTalk thread that would evolve if we augured it in. We doubled down on focus. Not pretty but no doubt deserved.

Another funny vignette about my flight with John L. KMLB to KSDL is a long ass flight. John wants to talk. I want to listen to Clemson vs Alabama on Sirius which is only in my headset. John starts discussing the state of the art in the material fusion world. Heating various materials to 1,000,000° and putting them together. I am listening (kinda) nodding. Trying to give some attention to my very smart SIC. I mention that Alabama just scored. John thinks for a minute and says "ahhh so that's why you aren't overly engaged in this discussion".

Sorry

Mark, did you get the other copilot a new uniform for winter season or is she sticking to her summer outfit?

If you fly the turboprop properly, you do nearly the same calculations.

The Citation AFM gives you simplified numbers if the runway is not tight, and detailed numbers if it is, so it isn't usually difficult in most cases.

Mike C.

Mark, did you get the other copilot a new uniform for winter season or is she sticking to her summer outfit?

If you fly the turboprop properly, you do nearly the same calculations.

The Citation AFM gives you simplified numbers if the runway is not tight, and detailed numbers if it is, so it isn't usually difficult in most cases.

Mike C.