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Post subject: Re: Piper Lance Questions Posted: 28 Nov 2016, 16:24 |
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Joined: 02/13/10 Posts: 20129 Post Likes: +23629 Location: Castle Rock, Colorado
Aircraft: Prior C310,BE33,SR22
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I was a partner in a 1976 (straight-tail) Lance for a few years a long time ago.
The Good: it can haul a lot, it's easy to fly, it can be a reasonable IFR platform, anybody can work on them, reasonably comfortable, uses the coveted Lycoming IO-540
The Bad: many of them are not upgraded, some are ignored and neglected and not flown much (important: get a good pre-buy)
The Ugly: not very fast....not at all
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Post subject: Re: Piper Lance Questions Posted: 28 Nov 2016, 16:51 |
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Joined: 07/15/11 Posts: 4392 Post Likes: +469 Location: Owensboro, KY (KOWB)
Aircraft: 1957 Bonanza H35
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Username Protected wrote: I was a partner in a 1976 (straight-tail) Lance for a few years a long time ago.
The Good: it can haul a lot, it's easy to fly, it can be a reasonable IFR platform, anybody can work on them, reasonably comfortable, uses the coveted Lycoming IO-540
The Bad: many of them are not upgraded, some are ignored and neglected and not flown much (important: get a good pre-buy)
The Ugly: not very fast....not at all This has me worried. The ones I'm seeing, or should I say the ones I can afford, are no where near equipped like my bonanza. I have 430W, stec 50 w/gpss, jpi w/fuel flow, etc. The Lances have an Apollo 60, that's it! What kind of speeds will the Lance get?
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Post subject: Re: Piper Lance Questions Posted: 28 Nov 2016, 16:55 |
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Joined: 12/04/09 Posts: 352 Post Likes: +149
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Username Protected wrote: The Ugly: not very fast....not at all Thats correct. Pipers almost never make book numbers. A friend flies a Lance and says its a 145kt. machine unless all of the planets and solar system are in synch I remember when AOPA was doing their Sweepstakes a few years back with a Piper Arrow. They rigged it, painted it and put every speed mod on it that was available at the time, including the Lopresti Cowl, and followed that with a new engine and prop. When they were done the plane wouldn't make book numbers! They mused about Piper telling tall tales in their POH's and wondered how they got away with it.
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Post subject: Re: Piper Lance Questions Posted: 28 Nov 2016, 17:05 |
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Joined: 11/03/08 Posts: 14582 Post Likes: +22963 Location: Peachtree City GA / Stoke-On-Trent UK
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I had a cherokee 6-300 fixed gear. I added every speed mod available except the lopresti "cylinder-cooker" cowl. All the seals and fairings gained about 6 kts, which allowed it to kiss the book speed of 145kts TAS at 7-8K ft. Add ~8 kts for folding wheel models. Both on ~18gph
The straight wing models also run out of climb much over ~12K ft
The plus side is that it's enormous inside and has forward baggage in addition to the huge cabin.
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Post subject: Re: Piper Lance Questions Posted: 28 Nov 2016, 17:08 |
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Joined: 02/13/10 Posts: 20129 Post Likes: +23629 Location: Castle Rock, Colorado
Aircraft: Prior C310,BE33,SR22
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Username Protected wrote: What kind of speeds will the Lance get? ~ 145-150 knots I'd be looking for an older A36...
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Post subject: Re: Piper Lance Questions Posted: 28 Nov 2016, 17:12 |
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Joined: 11/03/08 Posts: 14582 Post Likes: +22963 Location: Peachtree City GA / Stoke-On-Trent UK
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If you do decide to get one, a tip to save money when the time inevitably comes that the wheels don't raise - the hydraulic power pack looks a lot like the one used in a lot of mercruiser stern drives for the outdrive tilt. Right down to the part number you'll find if you peel back the piper label.
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Post subject: Re: Piper Lance Questions Posted: 28 Nov 2016, 17:41 |
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Joined: 12/04/09 Posts: 352 Post Likes: +149
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Username Protected wrote: If you do decide to get one, a tip to save money when the time inevitably comes that the wheels don't raise - the hydraulic power pack looks a lot like the one used in a lot of mercruiser stern drives for the outdrive tilt. Right down to the part number you'll find if you peel back the piper label. Great info, I'm going to file that away…
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Post subject: Re: Piper Lance Questions Posted: 28 Nov 2016, 17:46 |
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Joined: 04/28/12 Posts: 4735 Post Likes: +3290 Location: Kansas City, MO (KMKC)
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Username Protected wrote: 150ktas on 16GPH isn't that bad. I get 160ktas on 11.2GPH now with GAMI's on my IO-470. Do the Lycoming's run LOP? Will they tolerate it with GAMI's? It was a rental and wouldn't run LOP as equipped. No clue otherwise.
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