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Post subject: Re: Cessna/columbia 400 and 350? Posted: 30 Jul 2016, 21:38 |
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Those of use who have made the pilgrimage to Ada OK think the ultimate turbo single is a Tornado Alley turbonormalized A36 with tip tanks.
Turbonormalized means you keep the high compression ratio and efficiency of a normal engine, A36 means six seats and good handling qualities. Tip tanks mean you can stay high, skip,the fuel stop and and go far.
But, you know, asking on BT means we're biased.
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Post subject: Re: Cessna/columbia 400 and 350? Posted: 31 Jul 2016, 09:45 |
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Username Protected wrote: Those of use who have made the pilgrimage to Ada OK think the ultimate turbo single is a Tornado Alley turbonormalized A36 with tip tanks.
Turbonormalized means you keep the high compression ratio and efficiency of a normal engine, A36 means six seats and good handling qualities. Tip tanks mean you can stay high, skip,the fuel stop and and go far.
But, you know, asking on BT means we're biased. My favorite instructor said: Your Columbia is a good airplane, almost as good as a Bonanza.
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Post subject: Re: Cessna/columbia 400 and 350? Posted: 01 Aug 2016, 19:15 |
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I'm not knocking the G36 at all. Nice plane.
But I don't need the extra seats of a G36.
A straight up NA G36 is $120k+ more than a turbocharged Columbia 400 with G1000 of the similar year and hours. A TN G36 is way more than the same year/hours COL4 with TKS. And way, way, way more than an Avidyne COL4. Even here on BT, straight up TN-A36+TKS (and a nice one at that) is more money than I'm looking at for a COL4 with under 1000 hours on it that is more than two decades newer.
Since most of my flying these days is just me, or me + 1 and I like riding fast and high in the cool smooth teens (even with the nose-hose) whenever the winds allow it, a fast 4-place turbocharged single makes sense.
A COL4 would be pretty attractive for what I want to do with it. It would be more than I want to spend, at the low end of that market.
I think a low time, late model Bo is just out of reach. If I'm going budget end, it would probably be the TR182, which other than being kinda slow, would also work.
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Post subject: Re: Cessna/columbia 400 and 350? Posted: 01 Aug 2016, 20:55 |
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Username Protected wrote: Those of use who have made the pilgrimage to Ada OK think the ultimate turbo single is a Tornado Alley turbonormalized A36 with tip tanks.
Turbonormalized means you keep the high compression ratio and efficiency of a normal engine, A36 means six seats and good handling qualities. Tip tanks mean you can stay high, skip,the fuel stop and and go far.
But, you know, asking on BT means we're biased. Jesse is right. Two things concerned me about the 400 when I was looking at them several years ago. First, virtually every 400 I'd seen advertised had at least one top overhaul. Some of them had multiple tops within their first 1,000 hours. I understand that power is not free, but it seemed like an aircraft that tends to go through cylinders. The other issue was with the windows. If you needed to replace the windows it involved cutting out the composite, changing the windows and then patching (and painting) the composite. You may not ever need to change the glass, but that is a lot of work for something that should not be a lot of work. They may have come up with a better process in the last few years. All of this said, the owners rave about these airplanes so they must be doing something right. I suspect they are kind of like Corvettes in that they are a ton of fun to drive but you know they are not the most durable thing on the road.
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Post subject: Re: Cessna/columbia 400 and 350? Posted: 02 Aug 2016, 14:14 |
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Username Protected wrote: I don't think E-AB is the right thing for me. For whatever stupid reason, I think I want to stay with type-certificated.
from what i understand, the designers of the airframe were very frustrated with all of the changes they had to make to appease the type-certification process, and the resulting product was several hundred pounds heavier due to this conjecture though, i've never saw any supporting details
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Post subject: Re: Cessna/columbia 400 and 350? Posted: 11 Aug 2016, 12:01 |
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I have 75 hours on my TTx. Great IFR platform. Fast. Handles like a dream. I fly mine at 65% power LOP. Typically plan on about 172KTAS at 8000 ft, 182KTAS at 12000ft. Right around 200KTAS when getting up into FL180 region. It will go faster, but will cost cylinder life. Fuel burn at 65% power is in the 15-15.5 GPH range. 38GPH in the take off climb configuration.
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Post subject: Re: Cessna/columbia 400 and 350? Posted: 11 Aug 2016, 21:04 |
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Lancair IV it goes 60kts faster!
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