Out of the box SP Citation would be 501SP Eagle II conversion which is a 501SP converted with extra fuel and Williams engines.

Typical market price is $1.5M. Range is ~1700-1800 nm IFR.

With SP exemption (requires 2nd class med, extra training), then the longest range Citation that qualifies is the SII with Williams, 2300-2400 nm range. Very few exist, about $2M when they are for sale.

Here's some promotional material on those mods:

http://www.sijet.com/download/Sierra_20 ... rmance.pdf


And more expensive to fly than a Citation. The big block TPE331 is much $$$$.

Mike C.

SPW also requires a commercial license and i believe 500 hours turbine time.

The single pilot exemption (it is an "exemption", not a waiver, not sure what the technical distinction is) for Simcom states:

Hold an airline transport pilot certificate with a CE-500 type rating or a commercial pilot certificate with an airplane instrument rating and CE-500 type rating before entering SimComTC’s part 142 CE-500 single-pilot curriculum;

Have logged at least 1,000 hours of total pilot flight time, including at least 50 hours of night flight time; 75 hours of instrument flight time, 40 hours of which are in actual instrument meteorological conditions; and 500 hours as pilot in command (PIC), SIC, or both, in turbine-powered airplanes;

Each training organization has a different SPE technically, but the FAA claims to have tried to standardize them among all providers.

Mike C.

Some SPE's are specific to serial numbers and some are not. If you own one I suppose a serial number specific wavier is sufficient.

Also once you get an SPE you are limited to higher minimums until you have 100 hours logged as a SP. I just crossed that threshold so my minimums are the same as any other Part 91 ops for an approach. Never caused an issue as it turns out. Probably don't want to be flying a 200 & 1/2 ILS "right out of the gate" anyway.

Yes, per the Simcom SPE:

Not perform any circling instrument approaches to minimums of less than 200 feet and 1 mile above the published minimums until after completing 100 hours of single-pilot flight experience in CE-500 series airplanes;

Not perform any straight-in instrument approaches to minimums of less than 100 feet and one-half statute mile visibility above the published minimums until after completing 100 hours of single-pilot flight experience in CE-500 series airplanes;


So why is that allowed for 501/551 pilots, who got less training, don't need commercial, don't have 500 hours turbine time, when it isn't safe for 500, 550, 560 pilots?

In other words, there's no logical basis for it. If a 551 pilot can be safe doing 200 & 1/2, then a 550 pilot with an SPE is just as good if not better.

Mike C.

I am not sure that there isn't a restriction on 501/551 pilots for the first 100 hours. Assuming that there is a restriction I would say that trying to answer a question like that will drive you insane.

There is not from what I can read. Get the CE500S type rating, you are good to go, notwithstanding the SOE aspects.


I'm fine. It just points out the lack of sanity of the FAA rules, or the lack of sanity of those trying to say the FAA rules are sane.

Mike C.

SPW would be a no go for me as I plan to go abroad a lot. So what's the longest range of the SP certified Citations without the fancy Williams upgrades?

525 series.

CJ4 is listed as having 2165 nm range on the Cessna web site. About $10M new.

If a "fancy" Williams upgrade is not in the cards, then a CJ4 isn't either.

If you are talking about legacy Citations (JT15 powered ones), the Sierra document gives their numbers for comparison. Not that great for a 501SP, for example.

Mike C.

Michael, you'll have to move to the Encore to get the same landings as your pilatipas. In the straight legged ultra, my compliment to landing ratio isnt near what it is in the Pilatus. Looks like I need some lessons from Captian Hangan or Captian Gutierrez.

Jetting is fun until you pay the fuel bill, it's 500 gallons instead of $500.

Actually, I'd like to know more about the Encore, seems like a great machine.

Better at $2/gallon then $5. Enjoy it while it lasts.

Have gotten some requests for more instrument videos.

Here is Friday morning's ILS into 35 at Salina. Launched at 3am Pacific enroute to KCMH. This was a fuel stop.

[youtube]https://youtu.be/6w09jQfhEe8[/youtube]

Love this thread about jets. So just to mix it up a little (I'm sure Dave S will not mind at this point) what if I was looking at a two pilot jet, maybe lease it for a bit, do business, build some time; What's involved in getting an initial SIC rating?

No such rating per se. A sign off is a half day familiarization with systems and three take offs and landings. ATP can sign you off